Why special training for campus? I'd bet that there are plenty of licensed CCW "armed idiots" at the mall everyday of the year and we don't seem to have a problem there. If they can pass the CCW carry course that everyone else is required to pass, they should be allowed to carry on campus.
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I'm fully aware.
The point I'm trying take is that they are not capable of coming close to how hectic the situation will be inside a school/college with people running and screaming for there lives pushing past you etc. The best force on force classes still don't come close to these types of scenarios. Not to say they aren't good some are very specific on what they teach for real life situations. Trouble is that none come close to what any of these shootings had. They would have to hire a whole civil war enactment crew just to get relatively close.
The biggest issue we, as gun owners, will ever face, is this mindset.
Next time an arson burns down a home, we should ban fire.
Next time a murderer drowns a child, we should ban water.
Next time a drunk driver kills someone, we should ban vehicles.
Next time a plane hits a building, we should ban aircraft.
Next time Blue Bell poisons everyone, we should ban ice cream.
That all sounds ridiculous, right?
But every time there is a shooting, the gun is to blame, rather than the psychotic maniac.
The police don't exactly get to train for this perfectly either, or at least most departments, but they are responsible for running in there. Sure it's a lot different causes they go in in teams, but some advanced training for everyday civilians would certainly be better than none.
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What kind of classes or even advanced classes would help with this type of situation?
The best case scenario would be someone charging in and shooting him at point blank range would it not?
If that's the case someone qualifying at 7 yards for a ccw is the least of my worries. I'd be grateful for the time they give/gave instead of a open shooting gallery.
I have more than just a ccw under my belt in courses but anyone capable of carrying should
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You are correct but most officers who work for major departments get on the job training dealing with shootings etc.. There are no classes out there that prepare you to actually get shot at or dealing with true life or death situations. It might show that you can shoot with an elevated heart rate and if you get a true adrenaline dump in a training class then you probably shouldn't be trying to engage an active shooter in the first place. That's just my opinion though.
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I agree. I think in more cases than not it would just be a bad plan. That being said, if you decided to go back to school right now (at a large school like LSU,) would you want to have a weapon or another force multiplier to protect yourself? What do you think a solution would be to prevent these shootings or at least minimalise losses?
Yeah that's what I was getting at. It's just really hard to prepare for those types of things. First responders plan to respond to these incidents as opposed to planning on being there when it happens.
I think we can all agree that someone else with a gun in a room full of people running around with an active shooter wouldn't help in most cases. But what I keep thinking back to is what I would do in that situation. I'd personally like a way to defend myself if a situation like that ever arose, but now it seems the best bet is hiding and running like hell if an opportunity presents itself.
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Is that Bloomberg's new slogan?
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Same argument the anti's use.
Thought you'd say that. So why you and not other people? I have friends who are 21 currently and are cops... And they just became officers recently and haven't been through extensive training, yet they can now carry on campus legally. Seems kinda not right that they can have the opportunity or chance to defend themselves if something arises, yet those of us who do not want to be police cannot. Thoughts?
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Why would we lose a RIGHT just because we are on college campus?
The same argument for lack of training would apply anywhere else people are carrying.
Where are all the reports of armed citizens shooting bystanders at malls, in theaters, on the street, etc?
The same argument for lack of training would apply anywhere else people are carrying.
Where are all the reports of armed citizens shooting bystanders at malls, in theaters, on the street, etc?
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