Just wanted to apologize for that post. I love to argue politics, gun choices and such, but I think I was a bit out of line here. My bad. And my editing sucks...
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M&P 9c or Glock 19?
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Just wanted to apologize for that post. I love to argue politics, gun choices and such, but I think I was a bit out of line here. My bad. And my editing sucks...
Anyways, I have a new question. I've been waffling over 9mm or .40. I want 9mm to shoot competions, but I wouldn't mind having another .40. Does the Glock 23 with a 9mm barrel shoot as well as a Glock 19? I've decided to get a "compact" Glock, btw.
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i was in the same exact position a month or two ago. I actually fired one with the conversion barrel, and I didn't notice a big difference- but I DID shoot the G19 better. Maybe it was in my head, because mechanically I'm pretty sure they were identical at that point.
That being said, I went G19. Extra rounds and faster follow ups trumped a small fraction of an inch- just my personal preference, not starting a riot here.
13 vs 15 rounds, not a big difference in my mind for any situation not involving the storming of a drug lord's or dictator's mansion. The size difference isn't big, but there's a lot more energy in a .40.
Not writing off your arguments, but they are things I've considered. The capacity difference is why I decided against getting a .40 Shield.
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Not writing off your arguments, but they are things I've considered. The capacity difference is why I decided against getting a .40 Shield.
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SpeedRacer
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Capacity is a big deal, but even more so is shootability. It is MUCH easier to get fast followup shots with a 9mm. The .40 was great back when ammo was still fairly low tech, but these days the practical ballistic differences between 9mm and .40 are negligable. That's one of the reasons many agencies are getting away from the .40 and going to 9mm. An added benefit is reduced ammo cost, meaning you can train/practice a significant amount more with 9mm. And since we all know shot placement is king...
Cliff's notes: easier to shoot + more bullets + more practice = win
If I squeeze off 13 rounds in a self-defense situation, I've got some issues other than a bad guy with a weapon. Just my opinion.
The rest, though, I can see, which is why I'm looking into the 23. I have a Beretta 96, I like shooting it. What I'd actually set on carrying would be determined by my level of comfort with each round, but can I have the option of both in a single gun while giving up nothing significant while shooting 9mm out of a 23 as opposed to just getting a 19?
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The rest, though, I can see, which is why I'm looking into the 23. I have a Beretta 96, I like shooting it. What I'd actually set on carrying would be determined by my level of comfort with each round, but can I have the option of both in a single gun while giving up nothing significant while shooting 9mm out of a 23 as opposed to just getting a 19?
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i used to think the same way. one day either you'll learn the hard way or you'll learn from someone who did: bad guys seldom travel alone, and often keep like company.
Always carry a spare mag... That is what I get from madwabbit's post.
SpeedRacer
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It's a good way to play around at the range to see what works better for you, but a conversion setup will never be as reliable as the real deal for carry and defensive use. That's the only real "catch". All I know is I've carried .40s, and I've carried .45s, and after training (a lot) I find I'm much more effective with 9mm and it allows me to practice/train much more makes me even more effective. The fact that guys I know that are MUCH more likely to get into gunfights than I am, as it's part of their job, are comfortable with the performance of 9mm is just icing on the cake.
Cajun_arShooter
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That's something critical I hadn't considered. Reliability is the biggest concern for carry that I have. I know I don't need a .40, I was just considering the option. I've carried my .38 with standard pressure hollow points more than anything else and I've never been worried about my bullets not doing enough damage.
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SpeedRacer
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Strictly speaking ergonomics, personally I feel:
Gen 4 Glock > M&P-9FS > Gen 3 Glock
But it's one of those questions that if you ask 100 people you'll get 100 different answers.
If you mean "everyone's hands" as in something anyone in the family could pick up and be more comfortable with, I actually think the Gen 4 19 is the best choice.
