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  • anakha

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120820/us-veteran-detained/


    AP

    RICHMOND, Va. — A former Marine involuntarily detained for psychiatric evaluation for posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook has received an outpouring of support from people who say authorities are trampling on his First Amendment rights.

    Brandon J. Raub, 26, has been in custody since FBI, Secret Service agents and police in Virginia's Chesterfield County questioned him Thursday evening about what they said were ominous posts talking about a coming revolution. In one message earlier this month according to authorities, Raub wrote: "Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads."

    Police – acting under a state law that allows emergency, temporary psychiatric commitments upon the recommendation of a mental health professional – took Raub to the John Randolph Medical Center in Hopewell. He was not charged with any crime.

    A Virginia-based civil liberties group, The Rutherford Institute, dispatched one of its attorneys to the hospital to represent Raub at a hearing Monday. A judge ordered Raub detained for another month, Rutherford executive director John Whitehead said.

    "For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon," Whitehead said.

    Raub's mother, Cathleen Thomas, said by telephone that the government had overstepped its bounds.

    "The bottom line is his freedom of speech has been violated," she said.

    Thomas said her son, who served tours as a combat engineer in Iraq and Afghanistan, is "concerned about all the wars we've experienced" and believes the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. One of his Facebook posts, she said, pictured the gaping hole in the Pentagon and asked "where's the plane?"

    Whitehead said he found nothing alarming in Raub's social media commentaries. "The posts I read that supposedly were of concern were libertarian-type posts I see all the time," he said.

    The big concern, Whitehead said, is whether government officials are monitoring citizens' private Facebook pages and detaining people with whom they disagree.

    Dee Rybiski, an FBI spokeswoman in Richmond, said there was no Facebook snooping by her agency.

    "We received quite a few complaints about what were perceived as threatening posts," she said. "Given the circumstances with the things that have gone on in the country with some of these mass shootings, it would be horrible for law enforcement not to pay attention to complaints."

    Whitehead said some of the posts in question were made on a closed Facebook page that Raub had recently created so he questioned whether anyone from the public would have complained about them.

    A "Support Brandon Raub" Facebook page had 244 "likes" by Monday afternoon and other Internet sites had numerous comments from people outraged by the veteran's detention.

    Raub's supporters characterized the detention as an arrest, complaining he was handcuffed and whisked away in a police cruiser without being served a warrant or read his rights. But authorities say it wasn't an arrest because Raub doesn't face criminal charges.

    Col. Theirry Depuis, the county police chief, said Raub was taken into custody upon the recommendation of mental health crisis intervention workers. He said the action was taken under the state's emergency custody statute, which allows a magistrate to order the civil detention and psychiatric evaluation of a person who is considered potentially dangerous.

    He said Raub was handcuffed because he resisted officers' attempts to take him into custody.
     
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    SlimPickins

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    Should any form of speech be legal ? Is there any limit ?

    I can't find any reason to arrest him on the pages shown...see worse on FB every day just reading the rap lyrics people post.
     

    J-Dog

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    What a load of crap. While not arrested will he now be flagged as mentally unstable if he tried to purchase a firearm?
     

    J-Dog

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    So went looking for his Facebook account and there is nothing on Facebook private or otherwise. Speedlace that is a very disturbing video, the plain clothes guys were the scariest ones there.
     

    SlimPickins

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    Very Disturbing...I would be interested in the ID's of the plain clothes guys . Were they from the arresting agency ??
     

    oleheat

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    From his photo album:

    "This is the picture of the Pentagon, right after our leaders shot a missle into it."
    :doh:


    So it appears that he was a bonafide "9-11 truther". While I obviously don't think that alone should get him arrested, after browsing through his FB postings, I feel that his views could be taken as at the very least somewhat :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:. (My opinion, only. :))

    Was he a threat to have a meltdown? That, I cannot answer. :dunno:
     
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    Renegade

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    I totally agree, his views are a little off... But, he's no different than 1,000,000's of other idiots out there with the right to an opinion. Good God, why doesn't the FB police just go to North BR??? Those idiots are posting all about their illegal activities online, making threats and whatnot. Seem a large number of them are a ticking time bomb for a violent act of some sort.
     

    oleheat

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    I totally agree, his views are a little off... But, he's no different than 1,000,000's of other idiots out there with the right to an opinion. Good God, why doesn't the FB police just go to North BR??? Those idiots are posting all about their illegal activities online, making threats and whatnot. Seem a large number of them are a ticking time bomb for a violent act of some sort.

    There's an idea. The real police could certainly use the help. They aren't getting much from the locals....:rolleyes:

    I especially liked the local talk shows yesterday asking callers 'so what do you believe is the root cause for all of the violent crime in BR??' :hahano:
     

    SlimPickins

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    There's an idea. The real police could certainly use the help. They aren't getting much from the locals....:rolleyes:

    I especially liked the local talk shows yesterday asking callers 'so what do you believe is the root cause for all of the violent crime in BR??' :hahano:


    Don't they have pictures ??


    and for the OP, has anyone verified this guys military record ? I'm curious.
     

    jguilletjr

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    Should any form of speech be legal ? Is there any limit ?

    I can't find any reason to arrest him on the pages shown...see worse on FB every day just reading the rap lyrics people post.

    Absolutly. I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Too much Government. They can listen, and they can watch but they should not be able to silence any one.
     

    Ironman26

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    So they'll arrest this guy, but not those Black Panther asshats that are threatening to hang and drag white people behind their trucks for fun.
    I was going to say the same thing about the Black Panthers...I think because it's racially motivated it's ok!!!! What a load of BS..
     
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