NFA rules X-Products soda launcher now NFA

[G_S]

http://www.xproducts.com/ar-15-soda-can-launcher-accessories-launcher


http://www.recoilweb.com/breaking-can-cannon-declared-nfa-weapon-by-batf-73113.html

 

[DAVE_M]

Annnnndddddd this is how it all starts...

The gubment gon' take yo guns!

I'm curious how many of those can cannons actually sold.

 

[JadeRaven]

First they came for the X-Products Soda Can Can Launcher, but I did not speak out--
Because I was not a soda can.

 

[JCcypress]

ATF Determination letter: http://s3.amazonaws.com/siteninja/s.../original/Can_Cannon_Determination_Letter.pdf

 

[DAVE_M]

ATF Determination letter: http://s3.amazonaws.com/siteninja/s.../original/Can_Cannon_Determination_Letter.pdf

Laws are silly.

It's perfectly legal to use an air gun to launch soda cans, but when an "explosive" is used, you have yourself a firearm.

 

[Rainsdrops]

Correct me, if i"m wrong. if the launcher, was manufactured, similar to a 37mm launcher cobray or spikes, and not mounted to "firearm", it would then be legal?

In the video the guy shakes the can, launches it, and it burst in the air. Was that coca cola, or an explosive?

If one can launch flares, shoot exploding targets, and light fireworks, why the ban on a soda can? were there any crimes committed with them?

 

[DAVE_M]

Correct me, if i"m wrong. if the launcher, was manufactured, similar to a 37mm launcher cobray or spikes, and not mounted to "firearm", it would then be legal?

In the video the guy shakes the can, launches it, and it burst in the air. Was that coca cola, or an explosive?

If one can launch flares, shoot exploding targets, and light fireworks, why the ban on a soda can? were there any crimes committed with them?

They are calling the primer an explosive and the soda can a projectile.

So they classify it as a firearm.

 

[whitsend]

Correct me, if i"m wrong. if the launcher, was manufactured, similar to a 37mm launcher cobray or spikes, and not mounted to "firearm", it would then be legal?

In the video the guy shakes the can, launches it, and it burst in the air. Was that coca cola, or an explosive?

If one can launch flares, shoot exploding targets, and light fireworks, why the ban on a soda can? were there any crimes committed with them?

The shaking of the can was irrelevant to it launching.
It launches by firing a 5.56 blank.
The can exploded because they shot it with a shotgun.

 

[JadeRaven]

They are calling the primer an explosive and the soda can a projectile.

So they classify it as a firearm.

Yeah, if it's using some sort of burned propellant, it's probably a firearm.

Seems like it wouldn't have a sporting purpose either given that a coke can is bigger than .50

 

[DAVE_M]

Yeah, if it's using some sort of burned propellant, it's probably a firearm.

Seems like it wouldn't have a sporting purpose either given that a coke can is bigger than .50

That's more or less what I was thinking when I first saw it a few months ago.

1) It uses a 5.56 blank (technically an explosive)
2) It's larger than .50 cal, so it doesn't meet the sporting purpose mumbo jumbo
3) It's shorter than 16"/18"
4) They can probably say that it can be readily configurable into a firearm or AOW/SBR/SBS/Whatever, because it's not permanently affixed and a single unit.

Supposedly they are fixing the design, I'm assuming to make sure it only fires blanks and not actual ammunition.

 

[NOShooter]

Well, I guess when i fire mine it has to live on one of my SBR lowers... how fun...

 

[rcm192]

I still think its cool how you can own a golfball launcher with no tax stamp but not a coke can launcher. Good ole atf. Silly.

 

[JCcypress]

Well, I guess when i fire mine it has to live on one of my SBR lowers... how fun...

You might wait on that. I think that the implication of the determination letter is that attaching it to an AR-15 lower receiver creates an SBS. If your lower is registered as an SBR, you may be out of luck, or file a new Form 1, with another $200. See page 3, paragraph 4.

 

[JCcypress]

I still think its cool how you can own a golfball launcher with no tax stamp but not a coke can launcher. Good ole atf. Silly.

The difference is that the golf ball launchers are muzzle devices that attach to the end of a barrel.

 

[DAVE_M]

The difference is that the golf ball launchers are muzzle devices that attach to the end of a barrel.

Bingo!

X Products has already said they are working on a fix. I can only imagine it being a longer can cannon with a similar muzzle device to the golf ball launcher.

 

[LACamper]

and if you mount it to your muzzle break they'll probably classify it as a suppressor!

 

[rcm192]

The difference is that the golf ball launchers are muzzle devices that attach to the end of a barrel.

Oh I know I know. Its just funny how they operate.

 

[NOShooter]

You might wait on that. I think that the implication of the determination letter is that attaching it to an AR-15 lower receiver creates an SBS. If your lower is registered as an SBR, you may be out of luck, or file a new Form 1, with another $200. See page 3, paragraph 4.

But the letter from x products says SBR....

Anywho xproducts didnt even send me a letter... how fun. Maybe mine doesnt even exist...

In any regard, I also actually have an AR based SBS which this can go onto, so perhaps i'm okay.

I do find it a bit ridiculous that X products opted to send a sample for a ruling WELL AFTER they proceeded to sell the device.