Open carry agitation

[jjh]

I just have a simple question I was talking with a few friends on couple of other forums and we came to the conclusion that this was a kinda taboo topic but I thought I'd ask here. I was wondering why there is always flaming of the open carry people. This is not directed at this board alone I am a member of many pro 2a boards and this seems o be the norm across the board. I am just wondering why there seems to be so much hostility toward people that are gun lovers but don't want to have to conceal there firearm? Why does everyone get so upset about it? Btw Im speaking of people other then MEM and his loyal followers

 

[Nolacopusmc]

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[Nolacopusmc]

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[Nolacopusmc]

iop3....just in case

 

[jmcrawf1]

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This.

 

[jjh]

can I iop1 my own thread hahaha

 

[dantheman]

can I iop1 my own thread hahaha

Might as well . It seems like the fashionable thing to do .

 

[Nolacopusmc]

I would personally like Yale to give his impression of why he believes or does not believe many hate OC since he is an avid OC'er.


i will say this. For myself, and probably a few others, it is not that we hate the actual act of OC as a right, it is that locally, many of those that choose to do this view it as a social or political statement.

I believe it is a right and should be freely exercised, but not as an agent of spite, because then it brings negative attention on guns in general in an already volatile environment towards the subject.

i would like to see all gun owners, regardless of preference of carry be good ambassadors to the uneducated.


Now, we all do hate MEM, in all of his forms. That I think is mostly universal.

 

[LSUh20fowler]

I would personally like Yale to give his impression of why he believes or does not believe many hate OC since he is an avid OC'er.


i will say this. For myself, and probably a few others, it is not that we hate the actual act of OC as a right, it is that locally, many of those that choose to do this view it as a social or political statement.

I believe it is a right and should be freely exercised, but not as an agent of spite, because then it brings negative attention on guns in general in an already volatile environment towards the subject.

i would like to see all gun owners, regardless of preference of carry be good ambassadors to the uneducated.



Now, we all do hate MEM, in all of his forms. That I think is mostly universal.

Couldn't agree more. If you want to OC, good, but don't do it to draw attention or try to get the cops to give you a hard time so you can set them straight.

 

[LACamper]

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I think Nolacop has it. Most people on forums that OC do it for the attention and for the hostile interaction. 'Its my right and I'm gonna do it!' comes across very childish. Instead it draws unwanted attention, then they whine about it after. Imagine walking into a walmart with an AK slung. Yes its legal, but don't complain when you end up on the pavement. It should be expected.
There are times when I've OC'd. Post Katrina checking my flooded house in a deserted neighborhood. Scouting land off a dirt road. Doing inspections in bad neighborhoods before there were CCW's as an option (or if the neighborhood is bad enough even w/ a ccw!). When my CCW expired and I wanted to go legally armed, it was nice to have the option.
I don't enjoy negative interactions. I don't want to be the subject of a police callout either (they have enough to do w/ real criminals).

 

[JR1572]

Many people OC "because they can." It's their "Political Statement."

All that translates to me is "Look everyone, I have a gun! I am now better than all of you sheeple who don't have a gun. I like to be the center of attention. My gun is better that that cop's over there. I'm going to go over there and show that JBT I have a gun."

Does everyone that OCs have that attitude, probably not. But some do.

Do I open carry, no, I don't have to. I can carry concealed.

JR1572

 

[CEHollier]

Some individuals bring attention to themselves. "Look at me. I have a Gun." They come off as Morons with a gun which scares the hell out of soccer moms and the general public. These people are not inconspicious and give all responsible gun owners a bad name.

 

[JR1572]

Some individuals bring attention to themselves. "Look at me. I have a Gun." They come off as Morons with a gun which scares the hell out of soccer moms and the general public. These people are not inconspicious and give all responsible gun owners a bad name.

Preach on brother, preach on.

JR1572

 

[spanky]

They get upset because they can't change other's opinions.

 

[DesmoDucRob]

Folks don't get irritated at those who OC, they get irritated with idiots. You can give an arrogant idiot a push-broom or a Glock, and he's still an arrogant idiot. I believe, but cannot prove that those who chose to OC are viewed with significant scrutiny by the public (Pro-2a, anti-2a etc.) and they owe it to those who they represent to give a little attention to their behavior and appearance.

 

[JadeRaven]

Now, we all do hate MEM, in all of his forms. That I think is mostly universal.

While the guy largely comes across as an ass, I do appreciate the new precedent we have in Louisiana now because of all the trouble he went through

 

[charliepapa]

What I don't understand is the fact these people are willing to give up the element of surprise and/or advertising themselves as a target. What I mean is, if ever in an environment where defense becomes necessary and the offender has already seen your weapon prior to becoming aggressive because you are OC'ing, you are taken out first! I know if I was a criminal that would be my strategy.

I learned a long time ago that a low profile is best.

 

[JadeRaven]

What I don't understand is the fact these people are willing to give up the element of surprise and/or advertising themselves as a target. What I mean is, if ever in an environment where defense becomes necessary and the offender has already seen your weapon prior to becoming aggressive because you are OC'ing, you are taken out first! I know if I was a criminal that would be my strategy.

I learned a long time ago that a low profile is best.

I think that argument could be easily be countered.

It could be argued that open-carrying deterring would-be criminals from acting. Bullies, criminals, etc, tend to prey on the weak. You could say the same for someone who works out a lot and wears tight t-shirts. Wouldn't the criminal want to kill him first? At the same time, the buff guy probably isn't going to get as much trouble from a criminal.

Also, most criminals aren't half as smart as you are, and very likely do not have the word "strategy" in their vocabulary.

I don't really take a side in this though. . . it's more preference and situation dependent.

 

[Nolacopusmc]

While the guy largely comes across as an ass, I do appreciate the new precedent we have in Louisiana now because of all the trouble he went through

True, but remember, the end does not ALWAYS justify the means. He may have won this battle, but how much damage did he do to the war in the process?

 

[LACamper]

So, the smart money is that if you're going to OC then CCW also. That way if they get your OC gun you still have a backup.

Getting off on a slightly different tangent... Does wearing a pro-gun t-shirt (like bs.com) put you in the same situation as OC'ing? I'd be hesitant to wear that shirt and not carry. I try to keep it for range trips, gun shows, and trips to my daughter's school... just to get a rise out of the admin!

Mel, I'd really like to see some more stealthy bs.com shirts. Maybe a polo with just an emblem on the pocket area? Something that doesn't scream progun from across the room but other 2a supporters will recognize...