Protecting Property...

[Nolacopusmc]

Not gonna chime in on the legal advice, but wasn't there a case recently with the old man and the shotgun on the phone with 911 who went outside and shot the two guys as they were fleeing robbing his neighbors home? The whole time 911 was telling him do not go outside?

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

you do have a responsibility for who has control of your guns.

No we don’t that responsibility it's take away by THE LAW. If I go to my grandson's school I MUST leave my pistol in my truck. If I go to the court house I MUST leave my pistol in my truck. If I go to city hall I MUST leave pistol in my truck. Need I go on?

 

[Manimal]

Not gonna chime in on the legal advice, but wasn't there a case recently with the old man and the shotgun on the phone with 911 who went outside and shot the two guys as they were fleeing robbing his neighbors home? The whole time 911 was telling him do not go outside?

Texas, he was not convicted of anything.

 

[Nolacopusmc]

Texas, he was not convicted of anything.

Yeah, I think Texas specifically allows for the protection of property in their statute.

thanks

 

[LACamper]

I've always been told to never fire a warning shot and never fire a parting shot (back shot as they run away).

Someone posted a link on here to a video walkthrough of the homeowner with the shotgun. Very interesting. I'm amazed he got away with it though. I think popular opinion saved him.

There was a case in Lafayette a few years back of a homeowner working on his hunting bow. He heard someone breaking into his truck. He grabbed his bow and a broadhead and pinned the guy to his truck through the shoulder. THAT was impressive!

Grumpy, I know how you feel...

 

[Speedlace]

I've always been told to never fire a warning shot and never fire a parting shot (back shot as they run away).

Someone posted a link on here to a video walkthrough of the homeowner with the shotgun. Very interesting. I'm amazed he got away with it though. I think popular opinion saved him.

The intruder was still shooting as he retreated out of the house.

The home owner got a round in the arm and the intruder got some buckshot in the ass.

 

[SpeedRacer]

There's so much grey area...I think it all depends on how you act. If someone's breaking into my car, and I put on a ghillie suit and climb on my roof with a rifle, yeah that might be a tough case. However, I could easily arm myself, walk outside and confront the criminal (ie "I heard a noise and went outside to check it out"), undoubtedly he will pose a threat at some point justifying defensive action.

Like at any moment, I could go to the ghetto and start calling everyone the N-bomb. Without a doubt, at some point someone would threaten and/or attack me so I pop three in their center mass to protect myself. Is it still self defense? How much does my overall influence on the situation matter in court?

 

[Speedlace]

The intruder was still shooting as he retreated out of the house.

The home owner got a round in the arm and the intruder got some buckshot in the ass.

Correction: The intruder didn't get buckshot in the ass.
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There's so much grey area...I think it all depends on how you act. If someone's breaking into my car, and I put on a ghillie suit and climb on my roof with a rifle, yeah that might be a tough case.

Funny story...

Dead Garland Copper Thief Suspect Identified
Business Owner Shoots, Kills 43-Year-Old Edward Hicky

A North Texas man is dead after a business owner decided to fight back against a recurring crime.

The Bargain Town Furniture Store in south Garland had been burglarized twice in several days and the owners were fed up. So the son of the owner decided to 'camp out' overnight on the store rooftop and wait for the burglar to return again and that's just what he did!

On Monday parts of the air conditioning unit were stolen and the thief stole copper on Tuesday. When the burglar came back early Thursday morning 25-year-old Sonny Sheu was waiting with a gun.

According to Garland Police, patrols had been increased in the area.

When 43-year-old Edward Hicky came up to the rooftop he was shot in the chest. Hicky tried to flee the scene but collapsed in the grass near the parking lot and later died.

Officers arrived right after the suspect collapsed, Garland Police spokesman Joe Harn said. Then they noticed the owner with a gun. "Garland officers told the owner to drop his weapon and the owner complied right away," Harn explained.

Hicky's ex sister-in law said he didn't have much family support and was a 'lost soul'. "I hate the most for him that he died like that," said Donna Gonzalez.

Hicky reportedly had a criminal record in Garland and Dallas.

Police don't expect that Sheu will face criminal charges, but the case will go before the Dallas County Grand Jury.

This happened back in July, and I haven't found any records or news articles of Sheu being formally charged, arrested, or billed.
Only in Texas.

 

[charlie12]

Awhile back I was involved in a deal where shots were fired during/after a burglary. I had a guy pointing a M4 at me but I didn't have a clear field of fire so I didn't shoot. When I could have loaded his ass full of 357Sig rounds he was going the other way and I wasn't going to shoot them in the back while they were getting out of Dodge.

But the license plate number I wrote down did send him and her to jail a few hours later.

 

[CajunTim]

There's so much grey area...I think it all depends on how you act. If someone's breaking into my car, and I put on a ghillie suit and climb on my roof with a rifle, yeah that might be a tough case. However, I could easily arm myself, walk outside and confront the criminal (ie "I heard a noise and went outside to check it out"), undoubtedly he will pose a threat at some point justifying defensive action.

Like at any moment, I could go to the ghetto and start calling everyone the N-bomb. Without a doubt, at some point someone would threaten and/or attack me so I pop three in their center mass to protect myself. Is it still self defense? How much does my overall influence on the situation matter in court?

I think you would go to jail for provoking/instigating a riot; let me know when you are ready and I will bring the video camera and make you an instant youtube legend

 

[howellusn]

This reminds me of the excellent movie American History X
Video might not be work safe due to profanity and racial slurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbOKAPmGgAU&feature=related

Forgot how good this movie was.. Love it.

 

[howellusn]

Yeah, I think Texas specifically allows for the protection of property in their statute.

thanks

It is known as the Castle Doctrine.

 

[Nolacopusmc]

It is known as the Castile Doctrine.

Really, are you serious?

Kinda like your car is an extension of your home?

Thanks, I knew that, just wasn't sure where the recent case was.

 

[Speedlace]

The Texas statue

§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994.

 

[howellusn]

Really, are you serious?

Kinda like your car is an extension of your home?

Thanks, I knew that, just wasn't sure where the recent case was.

You would be surprised by how few people know what the castle doctrine is.. This is from when Texas passed the law.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...thwest/stories/032807dntexcastle.241e482.html

 

[dangermoney]

Awhile back I was involved in a deal where shots were fired during/after a burglary. I had a guy pointing a M4 at me but I didn't have a clear field of fire so I didn't shoot. When I could have loaded his ass full of 357Sig rounds he was going the other way and I wasn't going to shoot them in the back while they were getting out of Dodge.

But the license plate number I wrote down did send him and her to jail a few hours later.

You did exactly the right thing. That was clear thinking on your part and while you were under stress to boot. I'm glad the incident turned out good for you.

 

[Nolacopusmc]

You would be surprised by how few people know what the castle doctrine is.. This is from when Texas passed the law.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...thwest/stories/032807dntexcastle.241e482.html

Yeah, I hear ya. They had that guy on a news special with whole 911 tape of him saying"I'm gonna shoot their ass." It was morbidly funny.

 

[Speedlace]

Yeah, I hear ya. They had that guy on a news special with whole 911 tape of him saying"I'm gonna shoot their ass." It was morbidly funny.

"You here the shotgun clickin'?!?!

I'M GOIN'!!!
...
...
...
...
YOU'RE DEAD!!!!

:bang: :bang::bang:"

 

[Yrdawg]

As far as finding some one in your outdoor areas, I agree with the advice of confronting them and leave the ball in their court.

New Louisiana trespass laws allow you to take physical action to remove someone from your property, real or movable. You are allowed to start with as simple as verbal commands followed by light physical force, escalating as necessary.

DF is still justified to stand your ground anywhere you are legal to be.

Move them, and be ready for whatever comes.

Shooting over some steaks....??? No....but I get up at 4 in the morning to work and buy those steaks. Work 6 and 7 days a week to buy theose steaks,......all the while supporting crackheads and the terminaly lazy with an over bearing tax load.

So........would you shoot over that principle that U work for what U get and don't allow anyone to steal it ??

Jest one Dawgs opinion

 

[howellusn]

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Is this the video??