I as well. Just sold my M9. Damnit.
PX4 Storm > Glock ? Rofl
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I as well. Just sold my M9. Damnit.
If both shoot as well as each other then it is just a matter of personal preference.
I have a feeling that glock mags and accessories are cheaper and more available. This is enough reason for me not to bother with anything other than glock as a defensive sidearm. I have alot of glocks and stuff to go with them, so changing would require alot of selling and buying of new stuff.
I am sure beretta make a nice gun, all of the beretta products i have owned or handled were nicely made. I did not care for how the cougar 45 shot compared to a 21. And the 92 was bulky compared to a 17.
I have a feeling that glock mags and accessories are cheaper and more available. This is enough reason for me not to bother with anything other than glock as a defensive sidearm. I have alot of glocks and stuff to go with them, so changing would require alot of selling and buying of new stuff.
I am sure beretta make a nice gun, all of the beretta products i have owned or handled were nicely made. I did not care for how the cougar 45 shot compared to a 21. And the 92 was bulky compared to a 17.
The finish on the slide of my gen 4 34 is wearing off in a few spots after probably less than 100 draws out of a kydex holster. That's not me complaining because I don't care how it looks but it is different from the previous gens that have tons of draws with very little wear.
I've got a PX4 Compact (9mm) and would put it right up there with my HKs. I like the way it feels better than the comparable G19. Both are good guns, but in my opinion, the Beretta is just one notch better than the Glock. I have not had any problems with the rotating barrel or with the gun in general. Mags are $45 bucks for it which is a little pricey, but I only have a need for a couple, so it doesn't really matter. What I need to figure out now is if I get a TLR - 2 (HL with Laser) or a TLR 4 - (Reg w/ laser) for it. The gun is a compact, so not as small as the sub-compact but not as big as the full size so I don't know which would fit better...does anyone have any experience with this?
GunRelated
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Skip the laser and go with a TLR-1.
SirIsaacNewton
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Well if you guys who have PX4's haven't done any Close Quarter stuff with them I suggest that you do so from what I saw it failed miserably.....
you wouldn't understand; it's a GLOCK thing.
No seriously though, you don't need a laser....
Cool gadgets I guess, but just get yourself the tlr-1 and call it a day.
They are slimmer and really all you need without more switches. You have enough on that beretta as is
lol.Maybe someone will chime in with a more technical reason.
Posted today on another forum by Firearms Instructor Todd L. Green.
When Ernest Langdon and I were there in the factory every day promoting pistol sports, brining home trophies (more Ernest than me there ), and working hard to represent the company in that community we were able to keep our heads above water. Shortly after I quit the person who replaced me in the role of running the pistol team capitulated to management's desire to see every member of the Beretta pistol team shoot a PX4... the result being that the entire team quit rather than shoot that gun.
When Ernest Langdon and I were there in the factory every day promoting pistol sports, brining home trophies (more Ernest than me there ), and working hard to represent the company in that community we were able to keep our heads above water. Shortly after I quit the person who replaced me in the role of running the pistol team capitulated to management's desire to see every member of the Beretta pistol team shoot a PX4... the result being that the entire team quit rather than shoot that gun.
GunRelated
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you wouldn't understand; it's a GLOCK thing.
No seriously though, you don't need a laser....
Cool gadgets I guess, but just get yourself the tlr-1 and call it a day.
They are slimmer and really all you need without more switches. You have enough on that beretta as is
Maybe someone will chime in with a more technical reason.
Pretty much sums it up. One thing I would like to add, you do not want to train yourself to rely on a laser for aiming, that is what you have sights for.
I did a lot of simunitions exercises this year (about 30 scenarios with rifles and pistols). A lot of the guns had lasers on them. On the dark home invasion scenarios the bad guys said it was quite a deterrent to see the laser beam coming at them down a hallway. Personally I don't run a laser but I probably would if I wasn't so lazy and got around to putting it on my rifle.
It's even more fun putting the IR laser on insurgents foreheads in pitch black darkness.
F the PX4 storm. F it in the A.
Love my subcompact. Fits my hands well, fits even better with a high cap mag with xgrip spacer installed. Doesn't shoot any better than a glock, but not any worse either. The reason I prefer it over my G26 is that I like (I'm comfortable with) DA/SA. It operates just like the 92s I'm used to shooting. Now if I were to choose a full size pistol, I wouldn't choose a PX4 for the reasons stated earlier. I'd go with a glock or even one of my 92s.
I guess for me, right now it's a software issue. More training or different training and I might change over to a soulless glock.
I guess for me, right now it's a software issue. More training or different training and I might change over to a soulless glock.
SirIsaacNewton
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That is only my observation of one PX4 with many different shooters so it might not be accurate. However, I would think the reason less recoil is felt is because energy is dispersed rotationally as well as horizontally vs. only horizontally in glocks etc. If a good base isn't provided you have FTF because there more energy absorbed by the wrist and arm in an unsupported Close Quarter shooting drill which would not leave enough to overcome the rotational and horizontal necessary to chamber the next round....
I think it would be worth seeing if this affects you personally. I wouldn't want to be in that situation and have a FTF.
dixiejarhead
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Berretta makes good weapons. Glock makes better ones.
On Pistols: Skip lasers. Waste of money, and they WILL slow you down. You should be focusing on the threat, not looking for the laser dot. Sights or no sights at close range 10 yards and it it does not matter. Most encounters you end up point shooting anyway. Better off practicing that method for close quarters combat than worrying about the laser or sights. A light is a MUST for CQB, gun mounted or handheld, either is fine, just practice with whichever method you choose to use.
On Pistols: Skip lasers. Waste of money, and they WILL slow you down. You should be focusing on the threat, not looking for the laser dot. Sights or no sights at close range 10 yards and it it does not matter. Most encounters you end up point shooting anyway. Better off practicing that method for close quarters combat than worrying about the laser or sights. A light is a MUST for CQB, gun mounted or handheld, either is fine, just practice with whichever method you choose to use.
yes.I like it. I was considering the laser option just for when target shooting with buddies, but after consideration, I agree...seems like even practicing a little with it could cause one to get partially used to it. Probably wouldn't happen to me, but I think I will skip it :P
Do y'all have any advice for the COMPACT Beretta which of these is better? I am thinking the TLR 1 would work on it, but I'm no expert in this area:
http://www.streamlight.com/en-us/product/product.html?pid=276
vs
http://www.streamlight.com/en-us/product/product.html?pid=165
Thanks!!
Everyone, I am sorry for making this post. To each his own, you like what you like. i just know the tool I use personally will go bang every single time, and handles +p+ like nobody's business. 
Sorry if it happens to be a super reliable $389.99 piece of black plastic!
Sorry if it happens to be a super reliable $389.99 piece of black plastic!
