Re-living 911--we shoulda hit back HARD

[JWG223]

And Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9-11... So plenty of "innocents" (persons not involved in the WTC conspiracy) were slaughtered.

Yes they were, and it is highly unfortunate and the cause of much anti-US sentiment. Whether or not Saddam was involved in any way is beyond our scope to prove/disprove. Or to what extent.

 

[JWG223]

Whos to say that is the result of our wars over seas? WTC was attacked in 93 and we didn't see another attack from them until 2001 we were not at war during this lapse. The drive for AMERICAN muslims to commit these types of attacks is not there. The possibilites for us to be attacked relativly easily with devastating results are EVERYWHERE but nothing is happening. This is for a reason.

Without looking up any figures I would venture to say we have been attacked by christians terrorist as many times as muslim terrorist. BUT I don't think religion is the issue, the issue is the CRAZY PEOPLE!


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I think there is a definition issue, here. Muslims are not violent people, nor are Christians, solely because of their religious affiliation. Radical Muslim's are violent, as are radical christians. Some use bombs, some use juice and cyanide. Both are sick, twisted, and not a fair representation of the results of their mainstream faith's belief system. However, both Christianity and Islam are religions with a plenty bloody history that neither should be pointing fingers. That goes for the Jews, too.

 

[JWG223]

Care to explain how so?



You cannot. He wasn't involved at all... It was decided PRIOR to 9/11 to remove him. Read Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush's books. I don't recommend purchasing; just go to Barnes & Noble and read the sections.

You still cannot argue that the royal family wasn't deserving of the death penalty due to their actions. I know that's a seriously lame justification, but hey, it's all I've got, if indeed they were in no-way involved in funding terrorist activities abroad.

 

[JWG223]

Yep. You can add all of those invaded nations to that list.

Look INward. Review the reports - gov't and otherwise. LOTS of loose ends like THREE buildings collapsed - not two. Find out what our interceptor assets were up to. No cave dwellers could strip us of our air defenses.

All of you should familiarize yourself with our gov't "white papers" on foreign policy in Eurasia PRIOR TO 9/11. It's ALL in the public domain.

All should familiarize themselves with the geography I'd Eurasia, known oil and natural gas fields, areas of exploration of same, existing an proposed pipeline routes and the influence of Russia and China in these regions. Don't forget to study the players in the pipeline and oil exploration. A quick search of "Bridas and Pipelines" as well as "Centgas and US Congress Testimony" should prove interesting, too.

Read PNAC and PNAC-supporters from the Clinton Admin onward and pay close attention to the Pentagon's "Full Spectrum Dominance" philosophy.

EDIT: "FULL SPECTRUM DOMINANCE" IS ENUNCIATED IN A DOCUMENT TITLED "JOINT VISION 2020".

Read Brzezinski and Engdahl and it will ALL fall into place.

Enjoy the day.

I don't know if this is paranoid crazy-talk, or dead-on accurate, and there is no way to PROVE it that we have. However, I learned something from Obama and HR4200 being passed. We, the People, no-longer have a say in what occurs, even when it is national, and almost all-encompassing. Therefor, why bother? I know that sounds shitty, but it's how I feel about it.

Own weapons.
Uphold the laws that are right and just and do not abridge your Constitutional rights.
Contribute to society.
Care for those who you are able to care for, especially your family and friends.
Be right with your neighbor, and your God, if you believe in one.
Defend your life and liberty in any way necessary, so long as you have a clearly defined and accurate definition of "your liberty" (it is not at your liberty to own a city street or not pay for food that you eat just because the price went up on milk, etc.)

I think THAT is the key to a righteous lifestyle. If we all do this, tending to our OWN back yards, sooner or later all the back-yards will be picked up and the whole city, as our metaphor shall go, will be beautiful. Failure to associate with those who do not follow those standards, and defense of one's self against them when they impose, will in the end cause them to be cut off, or slowly wither, depending on the circumstance.

The problem with the above, and with America, is that many, MANY people just want someone to do the thinking for them, and they are happy to let them whether they are right or wrong, as long as they are doing it for them. It's like watching a beaten wife continue to go home to her husband after a day at the office of whining about it.
Just my .02 when it comes to life, liberty, and conspiracy.

 

[JustinB]

all you would accomplish is turning out more terrorists. They would be justified, too. If someone killed your family and just called it collateral, how would you react. Oh...wait. you just told us. See what I mean? This is an unwinnable war unless we SELECtively kill all the radicals. Sadly, its just not doable.

http://bluntobject.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/not-this-****-again.jpg

 

[Mjolnir]

I hear ya, JWG223. I know how you feel. But it is OUR DUTY to resist those that will drag us to Hades and once there "cull the herd" of the undesirables (i.e., too much melanin in your skin, philosophically unreconcilable, physically and/or mentally impaired in any way, etc.).

I agree wholeheartedly with the "list" you compiled. These should be on the mirror of every American.

 

[#1bambam]

The only way is the path of Hitler. If we kill EVERY SINGLE person of EVERY OTHER ideation, we MIGHT eliminate terrorism against our country. It's just not going to happen. There will always be people out there who hate other people--including us--and do bad things to them.

When we fight Jihad, every one of them we kill, they view as a martyr and grow even more vicious/devout. They are just like Christians. You can't beat them unless you kill every single last one of them, and that's statistically impossible.

Basically, it is impossible to eliminate terrorism.

I dont belive this staement that you typed.Now that we can tie terrorism to a country and city(The one we killed that bastard in)If we did treat them with the same respect we did to the Japanese then atleast those litterboxes wouldent be harbering them and theywould have no homes to hang out in.Hell I bet the ppl of the surrounding countrys would kill them themmselves instead of bringing distruction to there ppl supplied by US for helping them Its been a long time and Japan has recovered but they still havent came over to try again.We will never stop it by trying to spread our dream of a free country to those cursed ppl.Or by assimilating to there beliefs.

 

[#1bambam]

They are nothing like Christians.

^^This x 100000000000^^

 

[#1bambam]

when I get home we can discuss the history of the Jewish nation as well as the inquisition and the crusades. My phone is not the best tool for that job. As an FYI, the Bible and Koran have many similarities. They both depict the historical eradication of unbelievers, etc.

Yes the old testament and coran have some similarities but the New Testament is nothing like mooslimism and a Christian follows Christ (New Testament) that states that the old law is over and you love your enemy and strive to live in peace with your neighbor wheras the coran tells there followers to kill anyone who disagrees with there way of life.Christianity preaches life and moslim religin preaches death and distruction.Totaly different.

 

[Russo]

things would certainly be different if an actual country had attacked us... i wonder how many foreign innocent citizens died at our government's direct assault before the 3k innocent American citizens were killed on 911...

 

[#1bambam]

so you want to destroy a part of the globe just to kill a few thousand radicals?

If they are helping terrorist then yes.Well not nukes but atomic.The land recovers faster that way.We lost around 3000 ppl in Pearl harbor and killed around 300 thousand Japanese ppl.and those citys recovered and they still dont mess with us today.Untill we could tie them to a country and city I wasent in favor of bombing any one but now that we can I think we should.

 

[Ben Draughn]

Twice today I spotted F18's over N.O. They must be on alert for terrorism. You couldn't pay me to fly somewhere tomorrow!
Watching 9/11 on the news really didn't seem real to me. On 9/12 I watched a seaplane get intercepted by a pair of fighters flying low enough to see the missiles on their wings. They 'escorted' him from Slidell to Lakefront and I was able to watch most of the way. That made it real!
I'm with Jimdana on this one. We should have found an excuse to use one of the bigger nukes somewhere along the way. Screw the collateral damage, we'd have saved more lives by having other countries afraid of us again.

drill weekend.

 

[#1bambam]

Congrats to JWG223 for making intelligent, well-spoken, insightful points and making people twice his age look like scared, hate-mongering, genocide-justifying little children.

LOL wipe yor nose there is something brown on it.

 

[#1bambam]

The thing I see about the youth today is a lot of them(Not allof them)are whiney sniveling babys who should leave America for a few years and then report back about how bad and nasty it is here in my homeland.Im sold out to the American dream and was born and raised here.I want my grandkids to grow up the same way but the gov and youth are out to let it die or even kill it.And that truly pisses me off to no end.

 

[JWG223]

Damn them Kristian Holy Rollers!
In the last 10 years in this country alone haven't they tried ...
to blow up buildings,
blow up Times Square,
blow up planes,
Shoot up airports ,
drive cars into crowds,
snatch reporters and cut off heads,
attack Army bases and gun down soldiers
attack recruiters and gun down soldiers......

Oh, I got the wrong crowd? nevermind

No, but the dc sniper was one, the lady that shot her son in the head at the range a while back was, and that's just off the top of my head, nevermind jonestown and waco.

 

[jayd]

No, but the dc sniper was one,

Indeed, a little misinformation never hurt anyone eh? Or was that ignorance?

"Born as John Allen Williams, Muhammad joined the Nation of Islam in 1987 and later changed his surname to Muhammad.[SUP][1][/SUP] Drawings by Malvo describe the murders as part of a "jihad" (Arabic for "struggle in the way of God")"
Source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad

Oh and the WEAK and oblique references to the Cult leaders
David Koresh....didn't go out and terrorize anyone contrary to what Janet Reno may say (although he did say he was Jesus re incarnated)
And the paranoid freak Jim Jones told his cult the same thing and was a horrible mass murdererer of his own people, but not a 'terrorist"

JWG, you don't happen to be a member of C.A.I.R. would you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations

In 2007 the organization was named, along with 245 others, by U.S. Federal prosecutors in a list of unindicted co-conspirators and/or joint venturers in a Hamas funding case involving the Holy Land Foundation,[SUP][2][/SUP] which caused the FBI to cease working with CAIR outside of criminal investigations due to its designation

Only reason I question is you seem awful apologetic of jihadists and down on the Khristians and Jooz

 

[JWG223]

Indeed...

"Born as John Allen Williams, Muhammad joined the Nation of Islam in 1987 and later changed his surname to Muhammad.[SUP][1][/SUP] Drawings by Malvo describe the murders as part of a "jihad" (Arabic for "struggle in the way of God")"
Source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad

the kid was seventh day Adventist. Timothy mcveigh (he blew something up, no?) Was catholic.

 

[SGT_Kramer]

We do need to close the borders. I suport the gun line. Would be great training enviorment for US sniper teams. rotate 3 states once a month of NG so that all the part time sniper teams get equal training. Station them in between infantry patrols for again training with live rounds and open ROE. I doubt there would be much bloodshed after the first few weeks of stacking 3 deep. Could do simular training for navy off coast of florida and Give Israel Canada to call thier own so they could get rid of the part of the world they live in that wants to wipe them out and bam good to go.

 

[jayd]

the kid was seventh day Adventist. Timothy mcveigh (he blew something up, no?) Was catholic.

WEAK.......
The kid wasn't calling the shots if you pardon the pun
and A$$hole Mcveigh hated da gubberment as I understand..... Kristian/Jew/Mooslem ain't got nutten to do with it

Kid, why dontcha slink back to the Democratic Underground....you've been "outted"

 

[JWG223]

WEAK.......
The kid wasn't calling the shots if you pardon the pun
and A$$hole Mcveigh hated da gubberment as I understand..... Kristian/Jew/Mooslem ain't got nutten to do with it

Kid, why dontcha slink back to the Democratic Underground....you've been "outted"

see, this is the thatng I have found in the south. So many pople are radicals, they cannot use common sense to reason through things in a way that allows for a happy medium. You consider me some radical democrat (I'm a libertarian) because I urge that true whole picture be looked at. In your mind, its all black or white, so to speak, or so you seem. This is not healthy. Try stepping back from your animal instinct to wipe everything out but what you understand and identify with and use some reasoning. How do you think you are any better than some terrorist if your attitude is damn the innocents, I want to kill all of the people in this are because of a select few? That attitude is the same that it creates. Try breaking the cycle. You can't fix problems using the same level of thinking that created them. Now don't go fly off the handle thinking I don't believe in a military response to 9/11. I do. I'm just not in favor of the genocidal banjo-music in the background radicalism I sometimes read being advocated.

As to religion, I think its a great political tool and a few of them have some good life advice if taken properly.