This is proof that the country is flooded with unqualified CHL instructors...

[762NATO]

I don't believe there is a legal cure for stupidity.

We'd all be in jail if there was.

 

[762NATO]

The obvious cure to this, in my opinion, is to get rid of the obtuse and harmful position of instructor. Permits should be given out without this class requirement.

The Second Amendment is my concealed weapons permit. Further infringement is wrong.

There will be stupid people and unsafe people doing stupid things with their guns. No class and no instructor will change that. Just as the gunowners are human, so too are the instructors. Only now, we have those same stupid people able to point blame at an instructor. Dreadful the day will be when an instructor finds himself sued because some ******* took his class and then feels the instructor is responsible when that ******* goes and does something "he was never taught" is wrong.

It's up to the individual to go and receive training on their own. It's true now with our current state of class curriculum. It'll be true with no curriculum or more curriculum. The day you have a class that makes you think "Yes, now this person -is- prepared to carry their handgun in public" is the day the class is too damned expensive, inconvenient, or without willing instructor to lay his neck on the line to teach it for there to be any classroom full of participants, save the wealthy or elite.

The current system is a circus, a dog and pony show, an impotent and ineffectual charade that achieves nothing and only serves to make good law abiding people take a day off their work so they can go get fingerprinted after losing a day of their weekend to a course that tells them nothing they couldn't learn on their own, and leaves them no more responsible or better of character than before.


You can't train away stupid, lazy, apathetic, immorality, ego, or any other human fault.

I don't think it would take up more fingers than I have on one hand to count the number of times I read a news article about a "not good shoot" that was motivated by a shooter or defender shooting their perceived oppressor because they thought they were on the right side of the specific statute regarding justifiable homicide, only to find out they were wrong, and oops, now they go to jail for misinterpreting the law because they didn't have a professional teach it to them. I can't think of once where a person killed someone thinking they were in the right, and had been through instructional courses, and found out the other way around. It's typically murder, or vengeance, or some combination.

The current system is wrong, logically, financially, and constitutionally, and anyone who stands around arguing about how to make it more effective is an enemy to the Second Amendment rights we should all be championing, or a fool who thinks it -is- possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.

Five states do not require a permit for carry. Texas has banned open carry, and California too. What would it take for permitless carry to pass in this politicall-backward state? You make some good points, Neidman.

Well, first of all- I do not claim to be some kind of expert, by any means. However, whenever I hear a person say something gun related that I know beyond the shadow of a doubt to be wrong, I make an attempt to point them in the right direction. I'm not saying I'm a crusader (as if

), but I am sort of a "every little bit helps" kind of guy. Perhaps if more people did this- along will at least making a suggestion about them getting some training for the betterment of themselves- we'd over time begin to see less of these things that make us all cringe.

Like you've done with me? Not pointing you out intentionally, but I am new to shooting.

 

[oleheat]

Like you've done with me? Not pointing you out intentionally, but I am new to shooting.

Did I? (Forgive me, it's a been a long day. )

 

[deafdave3]

why even have to take a class/

There are some out there who buy a handgun and have no clue how to use it.

A guy in my class asked the following question.

"What's the difference between a semi-automatic and a revolver?"

He was renewing his permit. I kid you not.

Were you the also the instructor from his new application course?

 

[762NATO]

Did I? (Forgive me, it's a been a long day. )

No offense at all. It was in other threads. Your correction made quite a difference. If anything, thanks for correcting me.

Seems we cannot separate the wheat from the tares, but we can attempt to change the state's opinion.......

 

[Rabbit]

There are some out there who buy a handgun and have no clue how to use it.



Were you the also the instructor from his new application course?

There are thousands of cars on the road driven by people who don't know how to drive them properly as well.... and driving isn't a constitutional right, it is a privilege (as stated on the license)

I don't think we need permission slips ....er I mean weapons 'permit' to grant us permission to have them. It is in the constitution as a right that shall not be infringed.

Maybe someday

 

[oleheat]

No offense at all. It was in other threads. Your correction made quite a difference. If anything, thanks for correcting me.

Seems we cannot separate the wheat from the tares, but we can attempt to change the state's opinion.......

Any time, man!

 

[rrussotwo]

There are some out there who buy a handgun and have no clue how to use it.



Were you the also the instructor from his new application course?

I was not the instructor, but a fellow student int he class.

I am of the opinion that we should not need a permit to exercise our constitutionally protected human right.

I was merely pointing out the world is made up of all kinds of people. Some are intelligent and diligent, others...not so much.

 

[rrussotwo]

There are thousands of cars on the road driven by people who don't know how to drive them properly as well.... and driving isn't a constitutional right, it is a privilege (as stated on the license)

I don't think we need permission slips ....er I mean weapons 'permit' to grant us permission to have them. It is in the constitution as a right that shall not be infringed.

Maybe someday

^^^ Amen, brother ^^^

 

[SirIsaacNewton]

Ahh, the many abbreviations for a concealed handgun permit.....

CHL, CCW, CWP, CHP.....

What are some others that could work?

How about:

HHFP: Handgun Hidden From Public

GTYCS: Gat That You Can't See

YDNKIIHAH: You Do Not Know If I Have A Handgun

YIAGAIAGTSY: Yes, It's a Glock- And I Am Glad To See You






Sorry....I just find it kinda funny how many different terminologies there are floating around out there!

You think that is funny my father in law just showed me his Georgia CHP and the thing looks like some dude from blockbuster drew it on cardboard and laminated it. Straight up YMCA card style.

 

[oleheat]

You think that is funny my father in law just showed me his Georgia CHP and the thing looks like some dude from blockbuster drew it on cardboard and laminated it. Straight up YMCA card style.

Wow.

Yeah, I have to hand it to the DPS guys here- they do it right.

 

[dawg23]

The obvious cure to this, in my opinion, is to get rid of the obtuse and harmful position of instructor. Permits should be given out without this class requirement.

The Second Amendment is my concealed weapons permit. Further infringement is wrong.

There will be stupid people and unsafe people doing stupid things with their guns. No class and no instructor will change that. Just as the gunowners are human, so too are the instructors. Only now, we have those same stupid people able to point blame at an instructor. Dreadful the day will be when an instructor finds himself sued because some ******* took his class and then feels the instructor is responsible when that ******* goes and does something "he was never taught" is wrong.

It's up to the individual to go and receive training on their own. It's true now with our current state of class curriculum. It'll be true with no curriculum or more curriculum. The day you have a class that makes you think "Yes, now this person -is- prepared to carry their handgun in public" is the day the class is too damned expensive, inconvenient, or without willing instructor to lay his neck on the line to teach it for there to be any classroom full of participants, save the wealthy or elite.

The current system is a circus, a dog and pony show, an impotent and ineffectual charade that achieves nothing and only serves to make good law abiding people take a day off their work so they can go get fingerprinted after losing a day of their weekend to a course that tells them nothing they couldn't learn on their own, and leaves them no more responsible or better of character than before.

You can't train away stupid, lazy, apathetic, immorality, ego, or any other human fault.

I don't think it would take up more fingers than I have on one hand to count the number of times I read a news article about a "not good shoot" that was motivated by a shooter or defender shooting their perceived oppressor because they thought they were on the right side of the specific statute regarding justifiable homicide, only to find out they were wrong, and oops, now they go to jail for misinterpreting the law because they didn't have a professional teach it to them. I can't think of once where a person killed someone thinking they were in the right, and had been through instructional courses, and found out the other way around. It's typically murder, or vengeance, or some combination.

The current system is wrong, logically, financially, and constitutionally, and anyone who stands around arguing about how to make it more effective is an enemy to the Second Amendment rights we should all be championing, or a fool who thinks it -is- possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.

Here we have further proof ---- "I don't believe there is a legal cure for stupidity."

 

[762NATO]

Every man, woman, and child would be locked away for stupidity if it were regulated!
So let's tax it instead.

 

[returningliberty]

Every man, woman, and child would be locked away for stupidity if it were regulated!
So let's tax it instead.

They already do, it's called the income tax.
Reid: "Those idiots keep sending us money!"
Obama: "Hurry, bomb Iran so we can jack it up again!"

 

[762NATO]

Yeah, sadly, then add TRILLIONS of dollars in debt to attempt to overwhelm the capitalist system, breaking it done in favor of socialism, a la most any European nation, and the people. They are too stupid and irresponsible to have rights. WE, the State, will decide that for them.