This might start an argument....

[Bigchillin83]

5.56- either 62 gr soft tips or 55gr ballistic varmint tips
11.5" sbr
silencerco omega
surefire m600u
aimpoint t1

have played with this set up on quite a few hogs both dead and alive from 60lbs to 275lbs, you would be supprised what bullets do when you actually try them.. works great for me in my situation for home defense ... or better yet i think it is my best option for home defense after all my testing, ill let yall know when i can verify it

 

[Bigchillin83]

cause we all know this is golden right???

 

[Bigchillin83]

id love to get my hands on some 77gr smk's but kinda late on it and dont see me getting them anytime soon unless i wanna pay $2 a round and at that price i cant affort to practice... maybe they will go down in price in about 4 years again

 

[LACamper]

Go read 'The Box of Truth'....

https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/


You'll find 9mm penetrates more layers of sheetrock than .223. 9mm hp fills with sheetrock and becomes fmj effectively. I tried this with wet phone books and 9mm and found the same thing happened.

 

[AK shooter]

Interior walls are one thing, I doubt that a 556 or 9mm would penetrate the outside brick walls. If you have a wood frame home, that's different.

 

[snowman]

You may want to rewatch the video.

DAVD_M, I did as you suggested, I rewatched the video. My opinion hasn't changed. It's true there's no "magic bullet," as he says, but some are much, much better than others, such as Honady Critical Defense Lite. In my .38 Special J-frame, the 90 grain bullet is about as close as I can come to preventing overpenetration when I hit the threat. I'm just doing my due diligence, not dismissing the subject out of hand.

 

[snowman]

cause we all know this is golden right???

Nice chart, I hadn't seen that. The T223D looks like a potentially good choice.

 

[snowman]

Go read 'The Box of Truth'....

https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/


You'll find 9mm penetrates more layers of sheetrock than .223. 9mm hp fills with sheetrock and becomes fmj effectively. I tried this with wet phone books and 9mm and found the same thing happened.

Good stuff.

 

[DAVE_M]

DAVD_M, I did as you suggested, I rewatched the video. My opinion hasn't changed. It's true there's no "magic bullet," as he says, but some are much, much better than others, such as Honady Critical Defense Lite. In my .38 Special J-frame, the 90 grain bullet is about as close as I can come to preventing overpenetration when I hit the threat. I'm just doing my due diligence, not dismissing the subject out of hand.

First you dismiss it, now you agree with it?

Are you saying those who don’t carry light loads are being negligent?

 

[Gator 45/70]

Everyone knows 12 gauge 00 buck down the hallway is the way to go, Its even endorsed by yalls president BI-dum

 

[Jstudz220]

I agree that having a plan is a good thing, but I can't help but recall two similar quotations that are worth mulling over:

"No plan survives contact with the enemy." Sun Tzu, The Art Of War

and

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Mike Tyson

Two good quoutes maybe however no one here is mike Tyson or Sun Tzu lol. I think anyone would agree to have to no sort of strategy or plan would be moronic. That would be like the individual who buys a gun and shoots a box of ammo through it the day they get it and then decided to tote it along with them for the next few years without even so much as doing some dry fire training.

 

[Bigchillin83]

Everyone knows 12 gauge 00 buck down the hallway is the way to go, Its even endorsed by yalls president BI-dum

didnt you hear we gonna have a new president tomm anyway

 

[snowman]

That’s not from The Art of War or Sun Tzu at all.

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Why do people think that buck shot won’t over penetrate?

Jack, I went back and checked and found you're right. That quote, and variations, have been attributed to multiple people.

 

[Emperor]

You can be as self-responsible with your firearms as you possibly can or want; and that's great! You should try to be as responsible as you can. But, if you think your individual efforts to be as responsible with firearms as you possibly can is shared equally with others, you are sadly mistaken.

I would venture to say that there are a good many "gun owners" who are irresponsible buffoons. What is the point you ask? Well, let's say you are pondering this thread and taking the safety aspect of shooting a rifle in your house and worrying very seriously about where they projectiles may end up. Do you know for a fact your neighbor across the street takes discussions like this seriously too? What about your next door neighbors? Even down the street, based on the circumstances; a projectile can travel all the way down the block and blow your head off while you are watching tv or sleeping.

I have had bullets zooming over my head while working in the yard from a neighbor letting his kids shoot in his back yard in semi rural Ascension Parish. Don't know him personally, but obviously neither him nor his kids had any idea where there bullets were flying when they bounced off of the inanimate objects they were practicing on. They may not have even cared?!? He completely understood after stopped what I was doing and drove over to let him know he was going to kill someone.

Personally, I don't trust a lot of casual gun owners. You never know what they know, understand, or care about when it comes to their handling of firearms. I've seen ND's first hand, I've seen people come back to camp with loaded deer rifles, I've seen people leave live rounds in pistols in cases and range bags; and I have had bullets buzzing feet above me.

Now, I can guarantee someone on here is going to chime in and say they KNOW ALL THEIR NEIGHBORS and that WOULD NEVER HAPPEN in my neighborhood, but I bet they wouldn't be willing to stake their lives on it!!

Ponder that!

 

[DropOutGTS]

My first respond to a weapon for house defense will be either a shotgun or my person handgun with hollow points. My walls are thin and wouldn’t like to penetrate into another room haha. That’s just me.

 

[323MAR]

Everyone knows 12 gauge 00 buck down the hallway is the way to go, Its even endorsed by yalls president BI-dum

He also said to fire two warning shots.
I think he meant for the warning shots to be fired into the air from an upstairs balcony.

 

[DBMJR1]

My thots are worth exactly what I'm charging for them:

.223/5.56 is probably one of the best rounds one could select for home defense, if the correct ammunition is selected.


Anyone who selects .223/5.56 would be well advised to employ a silencer.


Without a silencer, 5.56 is like a concussion grenade going off.


Be prepared to lose hearing.

 

[Gator 45/70]

He also said to fire two warning shots.
I think he meant for the warning shots to be fired into the air from an upstairs balcony.

Think you're correct...

 

[DAVE_M]

My thots are worth exactly what I'm charging for them:

.223/5.56 is probably one of the best rounds one could select for home defense, if the correct ammunition is selected.


Anyone who selects .223/5.56 would be well advised to employ a silencer.


Without a silencer, 5.56 is like a concussion grenade going off.


Be prepared to lose hearing.

Every defensive caliber is going to be beyond safe hearing levels, especially when indoors. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to put a silencer on any home defense firearm you so choose.

Unsuppressed 9mm pistols are on par with the sound levels of 556.

 

[WhereIsIt?]

When you all say supressor.. Do you mean like a pillow wrapped around the barrel? Down feather? Synthetic? Memory foam?