What's the deal on Permanent Muzzle breaks?

[Hitman]

Is this muzzle break permanent?

Does the 16'' SBR rule apply to the barrel only or the barrel and muzzle break/compensator/flash hider or whatever?

It doesn't look permanent.

Thanks for playing

 

[SpeedRacer]

If the muzzle break is permanently attached it counts as part of the barrel and is included in the length. Usually they are welded/soldered on.

Is that AR sparkly?

 

[Hitman]

If the muzzle break is permanently attached it counts as part of the barrel and is included in the length. Usually they are welded/soldered on.

Is that AR sparkly?

That's what I figured, but does this one look permanent ? How can you tell ?

I think the flash makes it sparkly

 

[aroundlsu]

Only way to know for sure is if you did the work yourself. You can't tell by looking at it. If you want to feel safe, remove the upper and bring it to someone who will remove it and reattach per ATF guidelines.

 

[number1gilla]

You see that off color spot in the fourth pic? That looks to be where the pin was inserted and then welded in place, thats why the finish looks different. The only way to get that off is to cut it, then unless you have a registered sbr you will have to have another re-attached permanently.

 

[103M 95G]

that looks perm installed to me.

 

[Richard in LA]

that looks perm installed to me.

Me too

 

[missingAZ]

Usually permately installed muzzle devices are "blind pinned" and often welded over but not always. You could find out by trying to remove it, should be impossible without some destruction. I think I see where your pin was welded over.

Btw, barrel length is from bolt face to the end of the muzzle not including any non-permanent muzzle devices. So stick a cleaning rod down the barrel against the bolt and mark the end of the barrel on the rod then remove the rod and measure from the end of the rod to the mark you made. Should be 16" for rifles.

-James.

 

[Hitman]

Usually permately installed muzzle devices are "blind pinned" and often welded over but not always. You could find out by trying to remove it, should be impossible without some destruction. I think I see where your pin was welded over.

Btw, barrel length is from bolt face to the end of the muzzle not including any non-permanent muzzle devices. So stick a cleaning rod down the barrel against the bolt and mark the end of the barrel on the rod then remove the rod and measure from the end of the rod to the mark you made. Should be 16" for rifles.

-James.

Could you link me to where you read that?

That measurement BTW is 16 1/2''

Thanks

 

[missingAZ]

Sorry Hitman, I can't link my statement to anything as it is just something I have learned over the years. I am certain that is correct and I would imagine the ATF might have something to that effect on their website, maybe under NFA FAQs.

-James.

 

[UNIQDEFTECH]

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[UNIQDEFTECH]

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[missingAZ]

UNIQDEFTECH, are you communicating in english???

 

[scooterj]

UNIQDEFTECH, are you communicating in english???

I understand what he is saying. He is speaking 3-gun lingo.

 

[missingAZ]

oh...ok.

 

[UNIQDEFTECH]

Yepper...

You got it...

 

[UNIQDEFTECH]

http://www.triangleshootingsports.com/images/P1020017.jpg

That's the break I have seen floatn around Benny's shooting AO