Why I hate the 40

[Skiney]

Well I know everything I read on the internet especially BS is gospel lol

However; I can only say YOU WILL BE CAUGHT SHORTY...If U ain't carrying a .40

Don't be shorty OK

 

[Gus McCrae]

http://vintagepistols.com/40isbad.html

Bwahahaha!!!!

Can't argue with his logic there.

 

[DBMJR1]

What we need is some magic bullet that doesn't obey the laws of physics and creates more energy without more recoil. Maybe we could make them really light, high velocity, and entirely out of copper? That should some how knock people down or turn them into frogs. Hell I don't know it's magic.

Dave


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Congrats. You just designed the Gyro Jet.


Well, . . . It wouldn't turn people into frogs, but it was a light, fast round with no recoil.

 

[JHenley17]

"My gun shoots rockets" at least adds to the intimidation factor.

Sent from my truck doing 85 down the interstate.

 

[LACamper]

Congrats. You just designed the Gyro Jet.


Well, . . . It wouldn't turn people into frogs, but it was a light, fast round with no recoil.

Scramjet rounds would work but would be VERY expensive to shoot...

 

[dwr461]

Congrats. You just designed the Gyro Jet.


Well, . . . It wouldn't turn people into frogs, but it was a light, fast round with no recoil.

Unless you were engaging someone at normal handgun distances. In which case it was going to slow to do much of anything. I guess it could've burned your opponent to death if it got stuck in their clothing and they had gasoline in their pockets in zip lock bags.

Harry Potter magic bullets would be a great deal more effective. If it turned them into frogs you eat their legs afterwards. That's pretty darn intimidating.

Dave


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[CUJOHUNTER]

This title should read...........

WHY I HATE THIS THREAD!!

 

[LACamper]

This title should read...........

WHY I HATE THIS THREAD!!

What? I'm happy with it! 6 crazy directions, almost 50 posts, and its still active after a week? I mean its not the fence thread, but what's not to like? Well... I could have done without the harry potter tangent...

 

[Skiney]

This title should read...........

WHY I HATE THIS THREAD!!

Jon...Now U got something Sir

Haters gonna hate and I suggest you switch to a FORTY before it's to late:}

Below is why IMHO .40 is #1 and Widening the Gap...:}

.40 S&W
Illustration courtesy of Hornady Mfg. Co.
This article represents a personal re-assessment of this very popular self-defense and police pistol cartridge. Most readers know that the .40 round is the result of the aftermath of the FBI’s short-lived adoption of the 10mm Norma cartridge and the S&W M1076 pistol described elsewhere on G&S Online. Essentially, it’s reason for being was the then available technology in bullet design and the continuing perceived need to balance adequate penetration, controlled expansion within the average thoracic cavity and reducing so-called *over,* or *secondary,* penetration to limit damage to innocent bystanders.

The original 10mm was a hot number. Its .40 caliber bullet weighing 200 grains traveled at 1,200 feet per second. Even downloaded somewhat, this round proved to be too much for the average, non-gunner, FBI Special Agent, so Smith & Wesson and Winchester/Olin Corporation came up with an idea to shorten the case and reduce its power to coincide with FBI’s Firearms Training Unit’s specifications of a 180 grain pill moving out at just 950fps. S&W reasoned that *9mmX19* sized pistols would be able to use the new round, thus saving much on tooling costs, as well as tacitly admitting that reducing the width of the grip and trigger reach would be sound for the average-sized hand.

Earlier .40 S&W rounds suffered from over-penetration and so-so accuracy. Adherents of the 9X19 round often state that the .40 is harsh-recoiling, has a *blasty* report and pistols chambering them who share platforms with 9mm hold fewer rounds.

My earliest experiences with the round seemed to confirm some of these anecdotal reports. I have shot both the Glock 23 and Walther P99 in the caliber. Both are plastic framed, lightweight, compact pistols and the recoil did seem obnoxious compared to the steel framed .45ACP weapons with which I grew up. In addition, stopping power results in police circles did not seem to warrant considering a .40 caliber pistol at that time.

Time and technology does march on, however, and natural curiosity made me revisit both the round and another pistol design, the SiG-Sauer P229, which I have previously written about in these pages.

The .40 round is now used by over 70% of American law enforcement agencies, mostly because computer aided design has afforded ammunition manufacturers refinements to bullet ogive shape, jacket serrations, jacket material and even weight distribution to create a round which offers significantly better stopping power than standard pressure 9X19 (which, coincidentally, is the same pressure as the .40, roughly 33,000psi) and often equaling that of the .45ACP in its better iterations. One does lose a few rounds compared to the 9mm, usually 2-4 per equal length magazine. On the other hand, the .40 user usually gains that same amount over someone toting a .45, which was the original point of the exercise: to provide a true *stopper* with a higher round count than the proven .45 ACP.

Chuck Hawks and I have spoken at some length in the past about the .40 round and at the time, we agreed that there appeared to be little reason for the cartridge. In today's popular lightweight pistols, it can cause a control issue in rapid fire, not to mention the excessive recoil and muzzle blast even in heavier pistols. (Lightweight pistols, of course, are strongly favored by civilians for concealed carry. -Ed.)

My evolving view now is that, while the .40 does recoil more than either the 9x19 or the .45, it can be mitigated by carrying the round in a heavier pistol and paying particular attention to the curvature of the backstrap, to ensure that it is not overly curved. A more open radius spreads the recoil force more evenly in the web of the hand between the thumb and index finger. While this does mean your overall weapon weight with an aluminum frame goes up about five to six ounces compared to a plastic framed pistol, it pays dividends in mitigating the harsher recoil pulse.

The SiG design does have a rather high bore axis, which increases muzzle flip on recoil, but this does not appear to be a big issue, though it is still harder to control than either standard pressure 9mm or .45. I would expect that the .40 round would be easier to shoot were it chambered in a pistol of similar weight without this bore height disadvantage.

A review of Evan Marshall’s *Stopping Power* provides the following stats for "one shot" stops:

9mmX19, 115 grain Federal 9BP, 1150 fps/33,000 psi: 81%
9mmX19, 127 grain +P+ Winchester Ranger SXT RA9TA, 1250 fps/42,000 psi: 91% (+P+ ammo is generally law enforcement only)
.40 S&W, 165 grain Remington Golden Saber, 1050 fps/33,000 psi: 94%
.45 ACP, 230 grain Federal Hydra-Shok, 830 fps/21,000 psi: 94%
While the *one shot stop* is a statistic and not a tactic (!), what's telling is that, since the vast majority of American law enforcement is now using the .40, it will continue to be aggressively developed by US ammo manufacturers. The importance of this emphasis on development should not be under-estimated.

 

[CUJOHUNTER]

We could just stop talking about 40 all together and discuss Harry Potter. Maybe even the Hobbits. Lordy, where's my ring? My precious!,

 

[noob]

I'm not a fan of the 40 either. But I've been playing with my 45's all weekend, and when I started reloading my 9mm mags, I never realized how skinny my 9mm's were in comparison.

 

[dwr461]

We could just stop talking about 40 all together and discuss Harry Potter. Maybe even the Hobbits. Lordy, where's my ring? My precious!,

Not only will Harry potter magic bullets knock you down and possibly transmute you into frog, if that same round is loaded onto a 10mm it will erase you from the timeline removing all trace of your existence.

Just sayin'

Dave

 

[CUJOHUNTER]

Not only will Harry potter magic bullets knock you down and possibly transmute you into frog, if that same round is loaded onto a 10mm it will erase you from the timeline removing all trace of your existence.

Just sayin'

Dave

I like it alot!

 

[ctrues]

That article made my night. Still laughing.

 

[Skiney]

That article made my night. Still laughing.

Groovy...that's what counts, Jocularity....not a group of individuals arguing about who's right or wrong lol

Again I ask...Would U rather Bee RIGHT or HAPPY?

I choose HAPPY me:}

Now Harry Crack Pot is a whole other scam tactic lol