Will Hayden arrested again TODAY

[Emperor]

And it blows the hell out of her credibility as a witness for the prosecution.....or the defense, for that matter. Kinda like Anti-Testifying Vaccine.

Eh; I don't know! Not if she is a victim of rape herself. Whomever witness she testifies for will have that emotional distress / psychological trauma angle covered in spades. She will most likely get a pass on anything; unless someone can prove malice. And even then.

Kind of hard to strong arm her in a cross examination being a child rape victim. That won't play well for the jury.

 

[eggplant33]

when a bystander admits that he willfully subjected an 11 year old to repeated rape and molestation.

If I was on the jury, I wouldn't fault the mother for putting a bullet in both of their heads.

Without the perpetrator there would be no victim, in a world full of bystanders there would be no crime...

I'm still trying to understand why so many people feel the way you do, and all I can think it's that an innate disdain for what we perceive as cowardice and inaction which makes an active criminal still more sympathetic than a passive witness...

 

[madwabbit]

Without the perpetrator there would be no victim, in a world full of bystanders there would be no crime...

I'm still trying to understand why so many people feel the way you do, and all I can think it's that an innate disdain for what we perceive as cowardice and inaction which makes an active criminal still more sympathetic than an enabling witness...

fixed.

Kris stated publicly that he was aware this was going on, and did nothing about it. I'm not discussing anything other than the sentence that prefaces this one, because it is the only one where the perpetrator admitted guilt.

 

[eggplant33]

You keep changing the parameters of the argument and you didn't answer my question: what makes you think people working there would know anything about this?

 

[madwabbit]

You keep changing the parameters of the argument and you didn't answer my question: what makes you think people working there would know anything about this?

Because Kris posted that he did??? How has this repeated text escaped you for 2 pages of conversation?

 

[eggplant33]

Just a question here... Do you or have you ever worked for said accused child molester William Hayden? I'm trying to understand what your connection is.

You seem a little closer to these folks then you say.



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Never worked there, just been privy to all the stupid **** that goes on there for many years. Terribly sick of it, and now I can **** talk without worrying that jupiter will sue. I really have no interest in the welfare of any of these people, I'm just argumentative by nature and don't like to see anyone abandon logic.

 

[bigtattoo79]

Never worked there, just been privy to all the stupid **** that goes on there for many years. Terribly sick of it, and now I can **** talk without worrying that jupiter will sue. I really have no interest in the welfare of any of these people, I'm just argumentative by nature and don't like to see anyone abandon logic.

So were you on the show or the film crew?


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[eggplant33]

Because Kris posted that he did??? How has this repeated text escaped you for 2 pages of conversation?

I was making a hypothetical argument that had nothing to do with Kris. And it's a dumb poem you can't say with any certainty what he was admitting to, and knowing about past abuse is not the same as knowing about current abuse. Again your reading comprehension fails. And Kris is not an employee, I guess I forgot how little people know about red jacket.

Clarification: Kris is employed by jupiter/discovery to make a show. He has very little to do with the actual day to day affairs of red jacket. Those were the people I was referring to with "employees."

 

[Leonidas]

Eh; I don't know! Not if she is a victim of rape herself. Whomever witness she testifies for will have that emotional distress / psychological trauma angle covered in spades. She will most likely get a pass on anything; unless someone can prove malice. And even then.

Kind of hard to strong arm her in a cross examination being a child rape victim. That won't play well for the jury.

I understand your point. But if she testifies for the prosecution that she was a victim, all I would do as counsel for defense is put her statement on how great a father he was on an overhead projector, ask her to read it and ask ONE question. Please answer yes or no. Did you say/write that?

 

[eggplant33]

So were you on the show or the film crew?


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Lol no I wish. It's not really important who I am, I'm not very interesting.

 

[Emperor]

I understand your point. But if she testifies for the prosecution that she was a victim, all I would do as counsel for defense is put her statement on how great a father he was on an overhead projector, ask her to read it and ask ONE question. Please answer yes or no. Did you say/write that?

Well, I'm no Jack, Peacemaker, madwabbit, or Bigtattoo; but I might counter with an expert witness in the form of clinical therapist/psychologist on effects of rape victims a la PTSD!

 

[sandman7925]

I was making a hypothetical argument that had nothing to do with Kris. And it's a dumb poem you can't say with any certainty what he was admitting to, and knowing about past abuse is not the same as knowing about current abuse. Again your reading comprehension fails. And Kris is not an employee, I guess I forgot how little people know about red jacket.

Clarification: Kris is employed by jupiter/discovery to make a show. He has very little to do with the actual day to day affairs of red jacket. Those were the people I was referring to with "employees."

Doesn't matter whose name was on his W2's. If he knew about it fry his ass. And if you knew he knew about fry you're ass too.

 

[Emperor]

Yikes!

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So much for Scott Rogers, eh?

 

[Emperor]

Damn mods! Man, that was fast!

 

[Emperor]

And this is why I bother arguing about this at all. Saying a situation is more complicated than it seems gets you labeled as "batting for a child rapist." Nice job countering me with logic buddy. Boy do I feel cowed when in lieu of arguments you just call me stupid in as many ways as you can imagine. Why do you think that false accusations are such a big problem? Because when ever anyone brings up the subject people lose their minds. It's important to keep a cool head, so that justice can be served and the child can be extricated form the situation with as little trauma as possible.

Child rape is abhorrent. The perpetrators should punished if there is sufficient evidence against them. The community should refrain from vigilante justice. There, that seems reasonable.

Good, you saved the bunny's rant!

ep33, unleash the army on the wabbit!

 

[Leonidas]

Well, I'm no Jack, Peacemaker, madwabbit, or Bigtattoo; but I might counter with an expert witness in the form of clinical therapist/psychologist on effects of rape victims a la PTSD!

Exactly. Which when taken together, make her a completely unreliable witness.

Sympathetic, to be sure. But I'm not sending a man to prison based even a little bit on her word.

 

[olivs260]

Guys, keep it civil. This is a complicated situation, and in any complicated situation there will be differing opinions. Disagreements are fine, but personal attacks will not be tolerated.

 

[Emperor]

Exactly. Which when taken together, make her a completely unreliable witness.

Sympathetic, to be sure. But I'm not sending a man to prison based even a little bit on her word.

Here are my jurors! Bring it!

 

[eggplant33]

Alright, I think maybe it's time to back away from this thread.

All sympathy to the victims. Abuse is horrible and I hope justice will be served.

In the meantime, I also wish safety for my friends at the shop, who continue to receive death threats for what I suppose is the crime of knowing Will Hayden. I'm sure shooting a guy hammering rivets and selling t shirts or answering a phone would help abused children everywhere.

 

[Emperor]

Alright, I think maybe it's time to back away from this thread.

All sympathy to the victims. Abuse is horrible and I hope justice will be served.

In the meantime, I also wish safety for my friends at the shop, who continue to receive death threats for what I suppose is the crime of knowing Will Hayden. I'm sure shooting a guy hammering rivets and selling t shirts or answering a phone would help abused children everywhere.

And of course; Who Dat!