winchester12ga 100 rnd packs

[tangiltows]

anyone else have a problem w/ extraction? tried them in a norinco '97 and a rem 870 tactical magnum and they tie both guns up @ the first shot. chambers are clean and smooth. anything w/ a brass case-head runs 100% in both guns. these are lo-"brass" rounds w/ 1 1/8 lead @ 1200 fps w/ the "silver" case-heads. many thanks, vic

 

[jmcrawf1]

Whats your bulk round of choice?

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[tangiltows]

i realize they are steel. after my divorce a few yrs ago sold most all of my progressive shotshell presses to some of the guys @ hunters run as i shot skeet there for around 6 yrs. w/ lead prices the way they are was looking @ an alternative so my new bride can get more time behind her remington. may just have to suck it up and pull out the old versa-mec and load again or wait for dove season to score some brass field loads by the flat. vic

 

[leVieux]

Those are STEEL heads; and that's your problem. These are well-known through-out the 'tactical community' for causing problems in repeaters; both pumps and self-shuckers.They will even tie up an O/U; I spent 10 minutes once helping a guy on my squad at Hunter's Run dig one out of a Browning Citori- the out-of-spec rim had become wedged UNDER the extractor.

What you're dealing with here is ammunition quality lessened to meet a price point. The Federal "value packs" are the same, although, from what I've been hearing, the Winchester examples have far more issues in a wider variety of shotguns.

Moral of the story: pay a bit more for brass heads.

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REAL moral of story: Buy your ammo at a GUNSHOP !

leVieux

 

[dmiculek]

They run great in my guns. Seen lots of them fired yesterday at a 3-gun with no problems. Bad lots perhaps?

 

[tangiltows]

i have seen a bunch shot also. a guy i shot w/ years back feed his '97 winchester these @ cowboy matches w/ no trouble. maybe his gun had a sloppy chamber. they tied my '97 clone up soo bad the extractors tore thru the rim! the remington did eject the fired round, but only w/ a concered effort. vic

 

[asianpersuasion]

Hey LSP how are the Federal Ultra Clay & Field 12ga? They have some for $50 a case and may get a couple.

 

[TheLawson]

Those Winchesters will not cycle in my FN SLP.

I use Federal shells - I don't think I've ever had an issue in 600-800 rounds or so.

 

[pntbllr228]

My m4 eats those all day with no problems. So does my beretta 390. Moral or the story, buy italian shotguns.

 

[Richard in LA]

The Winchester valupaks are horrible, the Remingtons are much better, and I strictly shoot eyetalian guns.

I think it has something to do with the winchesters 2 piece hull combined with the steel base, sometimes one doesn't get just right, and the extractor jumps it.

 

[MOTOR51]

I think we were issued low recoil buckshot at one time without brass. Don't know if it was steel but I never had a problem with it in the ole 870. Now we are issued the new federal buckshot which is amazing.

 

[tangiltows]

i guess my thing is this! i've shot thousands of steel cased 223, 9mm, 7.62x39 without the first FTE! we're talking about rounds w/ 2.5 times the chamber pressure of a 12 ga. the steel case-heads appear to have a coating as the other ammo mentioned but apparently gall in the chamber. WTF? vic

 

[asianpersuasion]

Dunno about any Ultra Clay; never heard of that. If the Field shells come in the red, white, blue, and yellow box, then they are okay. I've shot quite a few of those in my Beretta 3901 and 686, but they are quite dirty and will NOT see the inside of my 682 Gold E...

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This is what I was looking at. Not a great price but cheaper than &6.50 a box at Sports Academy
http://shopdunns.com/products/2385/federal_ultra_clay_field_12ga_case/

 

[Richard in LA]

Those are probably something similar to the Federal "Top Gun" loads, which BTW are $4.99/box at Walmart.

ETA: Found a picture of an open box of those shells, they are brass heads, not steel, and actually look very close to a Gold Medal hull (externally)

 

[asianpersuasion]

Shipping comes out to $12.50ish. I usually just use the Winchester Expert and that's $6.50 so it's about the same. Just didn't know if the Federal was better. I could use all the help I can get

 

[asianpersuasion]

Remington Gun Clubs are, IMO, a happy medium. Its a quality shell that isn't priced out of sight, like the AAs are now. The problem is finding them around here. Every now and then you'll see them at Academy or Wally World, but the only place I've seen them regularly is at Dick's in south BR. Three times I tried to buy a quantity of these at Dick's; and three times I walked out empty-handed and with a felony case of the red ass. All due to mentally arthritic employees; the last guy I dealt with there, I'll bet money he was on work-release from Jackson. Ignorance regarding a product or policy I can handle... ignorance with attitude, they can bite me. I've darkened Dick's doorway for the last time.

Another problem with the Gun Club's (and again, this seems to be a Dick's specialty), is 20 round boxes. WTF? Every traditional shotgun target discipline I am aware of has target arrays in multiples of 25. The 20 round box is, IMO, a way to attract those nimrods who aren't paying attention to anything but price. They get what they ask for...

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So in Bass Pro's Labor Day sale they have the Gun Club Target Loads listed for $5.50 for a box of 25. They also have the 3901 for $599. So my inlaw was going to buy a 390 but what is the difference between the two

 

[Richard in LA]

So in Bass Pro's Labor Day sale they have the Gun Club Target Loads listed for $5.50 for a box of 25. They also have the 3901 for $599. So my inlaw was going to buy a 390 but what is the difference between the two

3901's have the rounded reciever and stock like a 391, but with the 390 forearm and gas system. The newer 3901's have barrels made by stoeger (which is owned by beretta) since beretta is phasing out the 391/3901's and going to the A400 as their flagship autoloader. FYI, there is a BNIB 3901 on LA sportsman for $530.

 

[asianpersuasion]

Hmmm.... that might be worth a trip to Dinky Springs. Do they have a limit/no rain check notice on that ad?

Tell your in-law he can't go wrong either way there. I have both guns (390 & 3901); Richard's description is spot-on. They are both most excellent shotguns.

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Here's a link to the ad. At the bottom in fine print it does say they can limit how much you buy

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/s...g=sep1_11_tab&rfx_versioningid=028&storeID=13

 

[asianpersuasion]

Here's a link to the ad. At the bottom in fine print it does say they can limit how much you buy

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/s...g=sep1_11_tab&rfx_versioningid=028&storeID=13

3901's have the rounded reciever and stock like a 391, but with the 390 forearm and gas system. The newer 3901's have barrels made by stoeger (which is owned by beretta) since beretta is phasing out the 391/3901's and going to the A400 as their flagship autoloader. FYI, there is a BNIB 3901 on LA sportsman for $530.

Thanks for the info. I'm also in Tejas now so La Sportsman is an option. Any chance a price drop on the 391/3901s?

 

[asianpersuasion]

When's tax free wknd. Bc sale goes on thru 9/3 I think