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  • Bayoupiper

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    Your gun sucks...
    Your chosen caliber too!



    After some years now of reading Internet bulletin boards, I think I've got
    the pros and cons of possible "**** Hits The Fan" (SHTF) rifle choices figured out.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the following is my analysis based upon the wisdom of numerous gun board gurus
    (you know them; they're always the first ones to tell you a particular model gun is "junk"
    and enlighten you as to why they have made the only logical purchases)...



    The AR 15:
    Great, awesome, unbelievable rifle (when it works). Can hit a fly in the
    butt at 300 yards (when it works). If one is ever attacked by a pack of
    feral poodles post-SHTF, this is the perfect defensive rifle (unless it
    jams, in which case you're poodle food). The upside is that one can hang
    more plastic aftermarket doo-dads on it than a Christmas tree, which may
    effectively frighten away bad guys when the gun jams. Also, by simply
    changing the upper, one can convert it into a Ruger 10/22.

    The MINI-14:
    Could be a good rifle, but it's not black.

    The SKS:
    Best obsolete rifle ever made (even if it isn't black, but you can buy a
    black aftermarket stock that looks kinda like an AR). If you need to lay in
    a big mud puddle and shoot at bad guys, this is the rifle to have. It will
    shoot as well as ever (maybe even better) when full of mud and the ten
    round mag makes puddle shooting a breeze since unlike hi-cap mags, you can
    hold the rifle upright in prone (mud puddle) position. Major drawback is
    that everyone knows that in a post-SHTF situation one must immediately fire
    thousands of rounds, a task for which a fixed ten round magazine is ill
    equipped, which is why they invented the AK. You can buy aftermarket hi-cap
    mags, but they often jam, creating the illusion that one is shooting an AR
    when combined with a nifty aftermarket stock. Other major drawback is that
    the 7.62 x 39 round is not .223 or .308.

    The AK-47:
    The AK-47 solved the difficult problem of firing thousands of rounds at
    approaching bad guys by allowing you to deftly change 30 round mags taped
    back to back, or for the truly ambitious, drum type magazines may be found.
    Unfortunately, buying an AK-47 is difficult, as they only come in full auto
    configurations. The good news is that a number of semi-automatic variants
    are available, allowing you to simulate an actual AK-47 by pulling the
    trigger really, really fast. Like the SKS, AK variants function best when
    filled with mud, but actually filling them is difficult as the hi-cap
    magazine makes lying in a mud puddle while shooting much more difficult.
    Fortunately, tactical experts from a mysterious facility known only to us
    as "the hood" have developed the "homeboy" method of handling an AK variant
    which promises to alleviate the hi-cap magazine vs mud puddle problem. One
    drawback of the AK variant is that (like the SKS) it's not black, however,
    aftermarket vendors have corrected this tactical faux pas on the part of
    Soviet designers by offering black furniture for those "in the know". Like
    the SKS, the AK variant also suffers from the troubling problem that the
    7.62 x 39 round is not .223 or .308. However, recognizing this problem,
    Russian designers have created a similar cartridge to the .223 known as the
    5.45 x 39.5. The problem of the 7.62 x 39 not being a .308 has not been
    addressed, as Russian poodles are apparently no larger than American
    poodles. Nevertheless, the quest to make smaller and smaller projectiles
    for combat weapons continues and rumors of a newer and better innovation
    known as the "pellet gun" have recently surfaced. We await an AR upper to
    accommodate this promising new caliber.

    The Mosin-Nagant:
    This unpronounceable rifle has a long history of military service. Napoleon
    reportedly had one. The unusually long 91/30 barrel combined with bayonet
    insures that it should be especially useful should a SHTF scenario involve
    the "redcoats" coming. The major drawback of this rifle is that it is a
    bolt action, which could make firing the prerequisite thousands of rounds
    at approaching bad guys difficult. However, if the Mosin owner and the bad
    guys are patient, one should be able to sling enough lead downrange by the
    time they are older than their rifle currently is. Like other eastern block
    rifles, the Mosin also is not black. This may be a possible reason why the
    Soviets lost the cold war. However, like the SKS and AK, western vendors
    have corrected this problem by offering an aftermarket stock in black.
    Unfortunately, none are available with a pistol grip. If Napoleon's Mosin
    had a pistol grip, he may have very well conquered the world, but that's
    another discussion. Other "carbine" type Mosins are also available, which
    would be the perfect compliment if one's SHTF plan includes charging at bad
    guys on horseback while wearing a fur hat, swinging a curved saber and
    swilling a bottle of vodka.

    The CETME:
    While the Mosin-Nagant takes a step in the right direction by chambering a
    larger caliber, the CETME promises to actually be able to send the desired
    thousands of rounds downrange much like the AK, only with the "bang" being
    in Spanish rather than Russian. While promising, the CETME is said to fall
    short since it's commonly known that the Century built models can only be
    fired once before exploding. The best-known solution is to use the CETME
    like a hand grenade, throwing it at the bad guys and hoping they try to
    fire it so it explodes on them rather than you.

    The G3:
    The G3 would probably make a good post-SHTF weapon, but they're full auto
    and Uncle Sam says you can't have one. Because he said so and because "he's
    the uncle". Well, you could get one if you sold your house and lived in
    your car to pay for it, but that's pretty much the same thing. The good
    news is that you could get a semi-automatic version like the HK91 or PTR-91
    (and they're black, a major improvement on the original CETME design). The
    major complaint about this design is that it has stuff like a fluted
    chamber and a roller-delayed blowback action, making it too exotic for a
    viable SHTF weapon. The other major drawback reported about this German
    improvement on the CETME design is that it's not an M1A or a FAL.

    The FAL:
    The FAL is the freemason of rifles. Though you don't run into them often,
    they're reported to be everywhere and secretly control the world of guns.
    This explains why FAL owners tend to worship their rifles, often converting
    their gun cabinets into FAL shrines and performing bizarre candlelit
    rituals before their rifle, which only the initiated understand. For the
    uninitiated, the upside is that the FAL can be found in black furniture and
    has hi-cap magazines. FAL owners tend to taunt AR owners about their
    "poodle shooter" calibers, touting the ability of the .308 to penetrate
    such obstacles as trees. While this puzzles some, I suspect that the
    members of the FAL cult may have some mysterious knowledge that common gun
    owners do not. Perhaps when the SHTF and hordes of trees rise up to destroy
    the human race we will all wish we had a FAL.

    The M1A:
    The M1A is the ultimate SHTF rifle. We know this because M1A owners remind
    us of this constantly. Like the FAL, the M1A is capable of stopping a tree
    in its tracks. When the hordes of killer trees take the rest of us, FAL and
    M1A owners will likely be the only ones left to hash out who has the better
    rifle. Of course, we know the answer (because M1A owners remind us of it
    constantly). The M1A not only has superior penetration, it is extremely
    accurate at distance. Therefore, when the hordes of killer trees have all
    been mowed down, FAL owners will fall quickly to the hordes of paper
    silhouette targets come to avenge their woodland brethren. The M1A owners
    will stop the avenging targets with neat, 1 MOA groups center mass at 600
    yards. At that point, the standard M1A owners will have to hash out which
    is the better gun with the SOCOM 16 owners to determine who will inherit
    the earth. A glaring design error in the M1A is that it's not black, which
    is why they invented the SOCOM.

    Other military style rifles:
    There are, in fact, other military style rifles, which I have not
    mentioned. It is, however, widely understood that all of these other rifles
    will fail as soon as the stuff hits the fan and being less common than the
    others, parts will not be available, rendering them all useless.

    Pistol caliber carbines and sporting rifles:
    Aside from the biggies, there are carbines in pistol calibers, but as Jeff
    Cooper says about the .32, if your shoot someone with one, and they notice,
    they'll probably get mad. Therefore, pistol caliber carbines are fun toys,
    but not a serious SHTF choice.

    Sporting rifles are right out.. They are not designed to fire the required
    volume of ammunition in a short period. Under such stress, their barrels
    will melt and droop like wet noodles, leaving the user defenseless.

    Well, that's about it. Thanks to the Internet and the plethora of gurus on
    it, I now have a comprehensive understanding of every possible SHTF rifle,
    even one's I've never owned or even shot. Naturally, I had to pass this
    know-how on.

    But Wait..

    You bought the wrong gun!!!

    M14/M1A:
    Clunky, heavy, and overpowered. Essentially a Garand tarted up
    with a removable magazine, in a half-baked attempt to adapt a 19th century
    rifle design philosophy to the mid-20th century. Most often named as
    favorite infantry rifle by people who never had to hump a 10-pound
    wood-stocked rifle with lots of sharp protrusions and no collapsible
    anything on a three day exercise, or try to make it through a firefight
    with the standard battle load of five 20-round magazines.

    AK-47:
    Crude and inaccurate bullet thrower designed by and for illiterate
    peasants. Chambered in a caliber that manages to cut the ballistics of a
    proper .30-caliber battle rifle in half without passing on any weight
    savings to the grunt. Ergonomics only suitable for Russian midgets. Archaic
    cable trigger spring, crummy sights, no sight radius to speak of, no bolt
    hold-open device, and a clumsy safety. Favorite infantry rifle of Middle
    Eastern goat herders, guys named Abdullah, and backwoods militia types who
    like the fact that it shoots cheap ammo and has ballistics like their
    familiar .30-30.

    H&K G-3/HK-91:
    Ergonomics of a railroad tie. No bolt release, and a locking
    system that requires three men and a mule to work the cocking handle.
    Fluted chamber that mauls brass, and violent bolt motion that dings the
    brass that didn't get mauled too badly by the chamber. Stamped sheet metal
    construction, yet just as heavy as a milled steel M14. Safety lever that
    requires unnaturally long thumbs, and a trigger pull that feels like
    dragging a piano across a gravel road with your index finger. Favorite
    infantry rifle of Cold War nostalgics and third world commandos.

    M-16/AR-15:
    Underpowered varmint rifle burdened by a crummy magazine
    design. Nasty direct-impingement gas system that poops where it eats. High
    sight line, flimsy alloy-and-plastic construction. Generally favored by
    range commandos, tactical disciples, military vets who have never fired
    anything else for comparison, and Brownells addicts who a.) enjoy spending
    three times the cost on the rifle on bolt-on accoutrements, and b.) never
    have to use their rifle away from a dry, sunny range.

    G-36:
    Flimsy plastic rifle with non-user adjustable fair-weather optics
    that fog up when a gnat breaks wind in front of them. Magazines that take
    up twice as much pouch space than others in the same caliber because of the
    "clever" coupling nubs on the magazine housing. Skeleton folding stock that
    is about as suitable for butt-stroking as a plastic mess spork. Twice as
    expensive as other rifles in its class because of the "HK" logo on the
    receiver. Preferred infantry rifle of SWAT cops, and soldiers whose
    militaries haven't been in shooting conflicts since the 1940s.

    Glock:
    Butt-ugly plastic shooting appliance with the ergonomics of a
    caulking gun. Five-pound trigger with no external safety makes it ill
    suited for its target market (cops who shoot a hundred rounds a year for
    qualification). Favored by gangbangers because the product name is short
    and rhymes with other short, rap-friendly words.

    Beretta 92F/M9:
    Clunky and overweight rip-off of a clunky and overweight
    German design from the 1930s. Shear-happy locking block, ergonomics that
    are only suited for linebackers, barely adequate sights that are partially
    non-replaceable, and low capacity for its size. Favored by Eighties action
    movie fanatics and John Woo freaks.

    1911:
    Overweight and overly complex piece of late 19th century technology.
    Low capacity, useless sights in stock form, and a field-stripping procedure
    that requires three hands. Favored by people who are at the cutting edge of
    handgun technology and combat shooting.of the 1960s.

    H&K P7:
    Wildly overpriced, heavy for its size, low capacity in most
    iterations, and blessed with a finish that rusts if you give the gun a
    moist glance. Gas tube has a tendency to roast the trigger finger after a
    box or two of ammo at the range. Favored by gun snobs and retired troopers who think that paying
    twice as much for half the rounds means four times the fighting skill.

    SIG Sauer:
    Top-heavy bricks with the rust resistance of an untreated iron
    nail at the bottom of a bucket of saltwater. Ergonomically sound, if you
    have size XXL mitts. Some minor parts made in Germany, so the manufacturer
    can charge 75% Teutonic Gnome Magic premium. Favored by Jack Bauer fans, ATC Agents, and
    wannabe Sky Marshals/Secret Service agents.

    S&W Revolvers:
    Archaic hand weapons from a bygone era, the missing link
    between flintlocks and autoloaders. Low capacity, and reloading requires a
    lunch break. Heavy for their capacity, unless you're talking about
    airweight snubbies, which hurt as much on the giving end as they do on the
    receiving end. Rare stoppages, but few malfunctions that don't require
    gunsmith services, which are hard to come by in a gunfight. Favored by
    crusty old farts who just now got around to trusting newfangled smokeless
    powder, and Dirty Harry fans with unrealistic ideas about the power of
    Magnum rounds vs. engine blocks.

    SMLE/Enfield:
    Refinement of a 19th century blackpowder design.
    Weapon of choice for militaries who either couldn't afford Mausers, or had
    ideological hang-ups about Kraut rifles. Rimlock-prone cartridge that only
    barely classifies as a battle rifle round because of blackpowder derivation
    and insufficient lock strength of the platform. Favored by Canadians with
    WWII nostalgia, and people who think that semi-auto rifles are a passing
    fad.

    Browning HP:
    Fragile frame designed around a popgun round. Near-useless
    safety in stock form that's only suitable for the thumbs of elementary
    schoolers. Strangest and most circuitous way to trip a sear ever put into a
    handgun. Favored by wannabe SAS commandos, wannabe mercenaries, and
    Anglophiles who think that hammer-down, chamber-empty carry is the most
    appropriate way to carry a defensive sidearm.

    Benelli shotguns:
    Plastic boutique scatterguns made by people with the
    martial acumen of dairy cows. Hideously expensive, and therefore popular
    with police agencies that get their equipment financed by tax dollars.

    FN FAL:
    Long and lightweight receiver that's impossible to scope properly.
    Overpowered round, twenty-round magazines that run dry in a blink, and an
    overall weapon length that's only suitable for Napoleonic line infantry,
    but utterly useless for airborne and armored infantry. Made by Belgians, a
    nation with a military history that is limited to waving German divisions
    through at the border. Favored by Falklands veterans, Commonwealth fanboys,
    and people who think that dial-a-recoil gas systems are the epitome of
    infantry technology.

    And now, YOUR CALIBER SUCKS TOO!!!

    9mm Luger:
    European popgun round that's only popular because the ammo is
    cheap for a centerfire cartridge. Cheap ammo is a good thing for 9mm
    aficionados, because anything bigger and more dangerous than a cranky
    raccoon will likely require multiple well-placed hits. Wildly popular all
    over the world, mostly in countries where people don't carry guns, and cops
    don't have to actually shoot people with theirs.

    .45ACP:
    Chunky low-pressure cartridge that hogs magazine space and requires
    a low-capacity design (if the gun needs to fit human hands) or a grip with
    the circumference of a two-liter soda bottle (if the gun needs to hold more
    than seven rounds). Disturbingly prone to bullet setback, expensive to
    reload, fits only into big and clunky guns, and a recoil that has an
    inversely proportionate relationship with muzzle energy.

    .40S&W:
    Neutered compromise version of a compromise cartridge. Even more
    setback-happy than the .45ACP, and setbacks are much more dangerous because
    of higher pressure and smaller case volume. Manages to sacrifice both the
    capacity of the 9mm and the bullet diameter of the .45. Twice the recoil of
    the 9mm for 10% more muzzle energy.

    .357SIG:
    Highly overpriced boutique round that does the .40S&W one worse:
    it manages to share the capacity penalty of the .40 while retaining the
    small bullet diameter of the 9mm. Noisy, sharp recoil, and 100% cost
    penalty for ballistics that can be matched by a good 9mm +P+ load.
    Penetrates like the dickens, which means that the Air Marshals just had to
    adopt it, only to load their guns with frangible bullets to make sure they
    don't penetrate like the dickens.

    .38 Special:
    Legacy design with a case length that's 75% longer than
    necessary for the mediocre ballistics of the round due to its blackpowder
    heritage. On the plus side, the case length makes it easy to handle when
    reloading the gun. This is a good thing because anyone using their .38 in
    self-defense against a 250-pound attacker hopped up on crack will need to
    empty the gun multiple times.

    .32ACP:
    Inadequate for anything more thick-skinned than Northeastern
    squirrels or inbred Austrian archdukes. Semi-rimmed cartridge that is
    rimlock-happy in modern lightweight autoloaders. Doesn't go fast enough to
    expand a hollowpoint bullet, and it wouldn't matter even if it did, because
    the bullet would only expand from tiny to small-ish.

    .44 Magnum:
    Overpowered round that generates manageable recoil and muzzle
    blast.if you're a 300-pound linebacker with wrists like steel girders.
    Often loaded to "Lite" levels that turn it into a noisy .44 Special while
    retaining the ego-preserving Magnum headstamp. Considered the "most
    powerful handgun cartridge in the world" by people whose gun knowledge is
    either stuck in 1960, or who get their expertise in ballistics from Dirty
    Harry movies.

    .50 Desert Eagle:
    The Magnum of the new century. Realizing Hollywood
    couldn't escape their Magnum fetishes, they had a handgun that fits the
    same stopping power quota of .44 Magnum and all of its filthy drawbacks.
    Popular amongst steroid filled movie actors who needs big guns to
    compensate for the steroid struck testicles. Comes in a baby variant for
    junior.

    10mm Auto:
    Super-high pressure cartridge that beats up gun and shooter
    alike. Very brisk recoil in anything other than all-steel S&W boat anchors,
    with a shot recovery that's measured in geological epochs for most handgun
    platforms. Often underloaded to wimpy levels (see ".40 S&W"), which then
    gives it 9mm ballistics while requiring .45ACP magazine real estate.
    Held in reverent awe by BS.commers.

    .380ACP/9mm Kurz:
    Designed by people who thought the 9mm Luger was a bit
    too brisk and snappy, which is pretty much all that needs to be said here.
    Great round if you expect to only ever be attacked by people less than
    seven inches thick from front to back.

    .357 Magnum:
    Lots of recoil, muzzle blast, and noise to drive a 9mm bullet
    to reckless speeds in an attempt to make up for its low mass and diameter.
    Explosive fragmentation and insufficient penetration with light bullets;
    excessive penetration and insufficient expansion with heavy ones. Still
    makes only 9mm holes in the target.

    5.7×28mm:
    Ingenious way to make a centerfire .22 Magnum and then charge
    quadruple price for the same ballistics. Awesome chambering for a police
    weapon, if you're the park ranger in charge of the chipmunk exhibit at the
    zoo and you want to make sure you can take one down if it turns rabid on
    you.

    .25ACP:
    Direct violation of the maxim "Never do an enemy a minor injury".
    Designed by folks who wanted to retain the bullet diameter of the .22
    rimfire round, but take a bit of the excessive lethality out of it. Favored
    by people who don't feel comfortable carrying anything more dangerous than
    the neighbor kid's rusty Red Ryder pellet gun.




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    762NATO

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    This will ruffle some feathers, rather humorously.
    Pray tell, Bayoupiper, what say the boards concerning the best gun EVAR?
     

    Ethical

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    This is the funniest thing I've ever read on a gun forum. Well done. I think you captured the "everything sucks but mine" mentality very well. Cheers!
     

    kcinnick

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    I guess I will go with an M&P22 for my defensive needs, only gun/caliber not listing as sucks, or does it suck so bad it doesn't need mentioning?
     

    jgreco15

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    10mm Auto:
    Super-high pressure cartridge that beats up gun and shooter
    alike. Very brisk recoil in anything other than all-steel S&W boat anchors,
    with a shot recovery that's measured in geological epochs for most handgun
    platforms. Often underloaded to wimpy levels (see ".40 S&W"), which then
    gives it 9mm ballistics while requiring .45ACP magazine real estate.
    Held in reverent awe by BS.commers.

    You write all that yourself?

    Seems as though he took the old joke and added a few of his own words.
     
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