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  • AustinBR

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    I see what you are saying but just think it's way to easy for a tragedy to take place if an active shooting started and everyone started pulling guns.


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    Very true, but on the flipside most college students are under 21. Of those over 21, if 20% had a CHL and actually carried (which is very high in my opinion,) there would probably not be a gun in every single class.

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    I see what you are saying but just think it's way to easy for a tragedy to take place if an active shooting started and everyone started pulling guns.

    I also agree with this.

    I would happily support constitutional carry, but even with current CHP regulations, I advise anyone and everyone with a CHP to seek additional training. What's offered in a CHP can only take you so far, and most training courses give you the wrong mindset when it comes to an active shooter situation. I know all too many people that think they can take down 10 different threats, because they are fast on the timer.
     

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    Not really sure what you are asking but if it's referring to the law in place now, I obviously think it's the right thing at this moment. There would have to be a lot of tweaking for me to agree with anything different.


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    I'm asking if you would vote for a law to ban college carry for us regular citizens
     

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    I'm asking if you would vote for a law to ban college carry for us regular citizens

    If the choice was a blanket law to allow anyone to carry on campus then I would vote against it.


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    If the choice was a blanket law to allow anyone to carry on campus then I would vote against it.


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    As would I.

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    Do our Constitutional Rights apply to public property?

    If the answer is Yes, then why would you vote to restrict these Rights?

    If the answer is No, then do explain why they don't.
     

    MOTOR51

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    Do our Constitutional Rights apply to public property?

    If the answer is Yes, then why would you vote to restrict these Rights?

    If the answer is No, then do explain why they don't.

    Lol, I have answered your question


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    Lol, I have answered your question


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    So if your answer is: b/c it's a bad idea...and - what if more people get killed?

    You are literally selling out the Constitutional Rights of the people b/c you're scared.

    Wonderful, and from law enforcement nonetheless.
     
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    Do our Constitutional Rights apply to public property?

    If the answer is Yes, then why would you vote to restrict these Rights?

    If the answer is No, then do explain why they don't.
    Let's be honest - general college students (18+) should not be able to carry a gun openly or concealed on campus. People are dumb and would end up causing much more harm than good. The few that elect to receive extra training and go through the processes to obtain a CHL are more qualified than normal, but probably still are on the verge of the "should / should not" spectrum. Add in a little extra work and I argue should be able to.

    Constitutional carry woild allow the dipshits to bring their ARs to school. And those dipshits would definitly do it...

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    Let's be honest - general college students (18+) should not be able to carry a gun openly or concealed on campus. People are dumb and would end up causing much more harm than good. The few that elect to receive extra training and go through the processes to obtain a CHL are more qualified than normal, but probably still are on the verge of the "should / should not" spectrum. Add in a little extra work and I argue should be able to.

    Constitutional carry woild allow the dipshits to bring their ARs to school. And those dipshits would definitly do it...

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    Then privatize the school so we can keep our Constitutional Rights intact...if that's not going to happen, then by all means, DO NOT burn our Rights up b/c you think it's a bad idea. If you think it's a bad idea, attend a different school, don't frequent LSU (for example)...there are ways for you to keep safe from that boogieman without giving up our Rights in the process.
     

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    So if your answer is: b/c it's a bad idea...and - what if more people get killed?

    You are literally selling out the Constitutional Rights of the people b/c you're scared.

    Wonderful, and from law enforcement nonetheless.

    Ok. I guess I'm scared.


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    Constitutional carry woild allow the dipshits to bring their ARs to school. And those dipshits would definitly do it...

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    How would you conceal an AR15?
    I've never even seen anyone open carrying an AR, except on the internet.
    And it seems to be a very small group.
     

    AustinBR

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    How would you conceal an AR15?
    I've never even seen anyone open carrying an AR, except on the internet.
    And it seems to be a very small group.
    But that group exists at LSU. And are we talking concealed only or open carry?

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    Really embarrassing to see so many people here claim to support the second amendment but blatantly walk all over it.
     
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    AustinBR

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    Really embarrassing to see so many people here claim to support the second amendment but blatantly walk all over it.
    I support the second ammendment, but I do agree that some people shouldn't have access to a gun. People with mental health issues. Felons. Young children.

    I don't think all should be able to conceal a firearm. I'm very ok with having a permit for it.

    I think a blanket rule that allowed all college students to conceal without a permit would be a terrible idea. With a permit I am ok with.

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    But that group exists at LSU. And are we talking concealed only or open carry?

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    Carrying an AR in general.
    I personally don't think it's as big of an issue as it's made out to be.
    It's stupid to OC or try to CC an AR, but I think the internet makes it look more common than it really is.
     

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    My opinion, and that is all that it is so if you dont agree with it then **** off because i really dont care if you like it or not.

    I dont believe that ANYONE regardless of LEO or not should carry any weapon onto any school campus unless properly trained in that type of situation. And by training i dont mean go to a one day class put on by some random person. There are too many trainers out there that have lied about their background just to build their fake resume up to look cool to their students. I know of several who have been proven to be fake but are praised like gods both in real life and on the internet. I mean real training including building clearing/active shooter/crowd control by certified trainers teaching force on force training and attending said training several times a year. If a LEO does not have that type of training then they can work the outside perimeter. There are too many variables for joe blow on the street (whether LEO or not) to go into that type of chaotic scene guns a'blazing.
     

    AustinBR

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    My opinion, and that is all that it is so if you dont agree with it then **** off because i really dont care if you like it or not.

    I dont believe that ANYONE regardless of LEO or not should carry any weapon onto any school campus unless properly trained in that type of situation. And by training i dont mean go to a one day class put on by some random person. There are too many trainers out there that have lied about their background just to build their fake resume up to look cool to their students. I know of several who have been proven to be fake but are praised like gods both in real life and on the internet. I mean real training including building clearing/active shooter/crowd control by certified trainers teaching force on force training and attending said training several times a year. If a LEO does not have that type of training then they can work the outside perimeter. There are too many variables for joe blow on the street (whether LEO or not) to go into that type of chaotic scene guns a'blazing.

    Winner winner. I think this is a very valid and true post on all counts.
     

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    i'm seeing a class of 25 adult students. a wack job walks in and starts firing. he shots 3-4 people. the other in the classroom, scramble for their weapons, in their bag, or their side holster, to return fire.Other students, in the vicinity hears the gunshot and draw guns. Some of the would be rambo and run towards the gunfight, some stand around scare / nervous, with gun in hand, and a few wanna be navy seals, are going to their vehicles
    for the 556 or 7.62.

    Could you imagine being LE, driving into this scenario?
    What if there was no shooting, just an escalated altercation? one draws a gun, many will draw.

    I'm pro gun, but an environment, where 60% of 25,000 people are carrying guns is scary (LSU enrollment is 25,000 PEOPLE!!!!)
    too many variables and way too many people.

    Be cautious in what you ask for. Not all legal gun owners, should own guns, and you would also be giving them permission to carry in school.

    Many schools are a financial institution. armed guards, and weapon scanning technology would be preventative measures. not re-active
     
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