effective range of 223?

[Emperor]

Prejudice or ignorance, I assume.

Statute predates modern/current advances/technology in cartridges/ballistics and optics/rifles; more likely.

 

[JNieman]

Statute predates modern/current advances/technology in cartridges/ballistics and optics/rifles; more likely.

A lot are held up by Fudds and people who are "30 cal or go home" and the types who just hate AR15s in general because they're not "sporting". The latter is pretty obvious when you see them call out that you have to use a .224 or larger. Oh gee, I wonder what cartridge they're targetting there

The statute may have been written in 1930 or even 1890 for all I know, but they're presently perpetuated and repeal is shot down by the ignorant and prejudiced.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Caveat I don't hunt. How many of the guys bemoaning .223 lethality and accuracy are using modern JHP ammo vs. dubious surplus?

 

[JR1572]

Caveat I don't hunt. How many of the guys bemoaning .223 lethality and accuracy are using modern JHP ammo vs. dubious surplus?

.223 is more than capable of killing deer cleanly.

I heard people used to shine deer as far back as the 60's using .22 Magnums making head shots.

As always, shot placement makes the difference.

JR1572

 

[JNieman]

Ok, I've never really talked about one round being more "forgiving" than another because the statement just confused me.

How is that true? Other than an expanded .30 cal bullet being a larger diameter than an expanded .22 or .24 cal bullet, which is so minimal as be discounted from mattering, how is one cartridge better for someone who can't shoot well than another?

I mean, you either penetrated vital organs or you didn't. There's no shot to the leg or non-essential belly parts that will net you a recoverable deer, whether it's with a .22 or a .35 cal bullet.

Admittedly, most of my terminal-ballistics study/instruction has been centered around pistols, which can /only/ rely on direct penetration/perforation of vital organs.

I've always suspected the "more forgiving caliber" stuff to be bull plop, though, but don't know enough to say so conclusively.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

That's reckless talk Ronnie...

 

[JR1572]

That's reckless talk Ronnie...

You're right. People will believe crazy stories before they believe shot placement is key.

JR1572

 

[Bayoupiper]

I killed a Mocking Bird when I was 15 with a rock. It really impressed my city cousins when the bird hit the ground. Oh it wasn't flying it was on a Dixie Electric line running across the driveway.

Try that with a Ruger rock at a farther distance and it will miss every time!





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[Nomad.2nd]

Ok, I've never really talked about one round being more "forgiving" than another because the statement just confused me.

How is that true? Other than an expanded .30 cal bullet being a larger diameter than an expanded .22 or .24 cal bullet, which is so minimal as be discounted from mattering, how is one cartridge better for someone who can't shoot well than another?

I mean, you either penetrated vital organs or you didn't. There's no shot to the leg or non-essential belly parts that will net you a recoverable deer, whether it's with a .22 or a .35 cal bullet.

Admittedly, most of my terminal-ballistics study/instruction has been centered around pistols, which can /only/ rely on direct penetration/perforation of vital organs.

I've always suspected the "more forgiving caliber" stuff to be bull plop, though, but don't know enough to say so conclusively.

Larger permanent/temp wound channel. More damaged tissue, more bleeding, more area damaged which can produce more bleeding.

Setting aside potential damage to bones...

 

[madwabbit]

Okay I can't help it.

Why is it when .223's are attacked by liberals and hippies its "a military weapon and far too much firepower for a citizen to ever need"

but when used against deer "its insufficient and inhumane against an animal that size"

Humans and Deer don't have a dramatic size/weight difference...

 

[RStewart]

They tied it to the tractor so you could shoot it and not have to track it down?












All Jokes aside, can you knock a deer down at 100y with a mini 14......... probably.

Are there better MUCH better options out there to do it with.... YES

Well...yeah.....isn't that how everyone hunts?

 

[HAMP]

.223 is more than capable of killing deer cleanly.

I heard people used to shine deer as far back as the 60's using .22 Magnums making head shots.

As always, shot placement makes the difference.

JR1572

agree shot placement is the key "its in the way that you use it"