Indoctrinating Kids In Ascension Parish Schools (Revisited)

[Suburbazine]

I can't believe nobody has mentioned the amount of pollutants required to build the wind farms or solar panels outweighs the amount of pollution from fossil fuels. Or that solar panels need replacing after a mere 9 years (because efficiency falls to half) or that windmills need constant servicing by petroleum-powered vehicles.

It's on par with the stupidity of people saying Dihydrogen Monoxide and Carbon Dioxide kill plants.

 

[AustinBR]

I can't believe nobody has mentioned the amount of pollutants required to build the wind farms or solar panels outweighs the amount of pollution from fossil fuels. Or that solar panels need replacing after a mere 9 years (because efficiency falls to half) or that windmills need constant servicing by petroleum-powered vehicles.

It's on par with the stupidity of people saying Dihydrogen Monoxide and Carbon Dioxide kill plants.

Uhm...Dihydrogen monoxide will kill plants quite well if you put enough of it on them. Drowning works just as well on most plants as it does on humans

 

[radney]

Well, not only are you late to this thread; but you as an actual teacher once, have no experience on this matter. You should go back and read the posts of those that obviously know better. You **** stirring prevaricator!

They have told me they have looked at my evidence and soundly reject my premise! Heaven help me if I try to convince this place why I prefer auto-loading shotguns!

And please, wipe with only 1 sheet!

Haha, I apologize for my ignorance. I should defer to those that know better.

p.s. There should be a hyphen in **** stirring (e.g. ****-stirring prevaricator)

 

[Emperor]

Hey, did anyone notice that Common Core is under attack from parents all over the country for................wait for it;

A preponderance of ideological driven lesson materials!

Damn! Who saw this coming?

Oh, that's right; I did!

 

[Devilneck]

Hey, did anyone notice that Common Core is under attack from parents all over the country for................wait for it;

A preponderance of ideological driven lesson materials!

Damn! Who saw this coming?

Oh, that's right; I did!

I find it hard to believe that an initiative started by the most transparent presidency in the history of our nation, and aided by the like of Bill and Melinda Gates, and other notable socialists, would possibly be involved in planned programming of young minds full of mush. No way it could happen. Nah, they'd never do something like that.

It's a Brave New World.

 

[Hitman]

 

[madwabbit]

As a fairly educated fellow that considers himself marginally intelligent- I've seen the common core stuff and its ludicrous. It's literally reaching around your elbow to scratch your rear.

(Disclaimer: I'm not saying kids shouldn't be educated)
the "knowledge is power" statement WAS true for prior generations, but is no longer true. Today the power resides in HOW TO FIND the answer. I don't know how to calculate the distance of planets to earth without using light years as a measuring stick (ala common core) - but my friend Google does, and asking him is faster than any horsesht formula you can begin to teach me.

"Your search produced 91837462 results and took 0.9274 seconds" Yes, my friend Google is a bit of a showoff, but he's right on (almost) everything you ask him.

 

[Emperor]

I am actually not against the strategy of Common Core as it applies to "critical" thought. And that strategy is: instead of having a child memorize that 2+2=4, we teach them WHY 2+2=4. Critically understanding that 2 objects paired with 2 other objects equals 4 objects, etc.

And that is fine until you start throwing in pro-liberal, ideological horse **** and propaganda. That is what they are doing! That is what is wrong with it!

 

[Emperor]

As a fairly educated fellow that considers himself marginally intelligent- I've seen the common core stuff and its ludicrous. It's literally reaching around your elbow to scratch your rear.

(Disclaimer: I'm not saying kids shouldn't be educated)
the "knowledge is power" statement WAS true for prior generations, but is no longer true. Today the power resides in HOW TO FIND the answer. I don't know how to calculate the distance of planets to earth without using light years as a measuring stick (ala common core) - but my friend Google does, and asking him is faster than any horsesht formula you can begin to teach me.

"Your search produced 91837462 results and took 0.9274 seconds" Yes, my friend Google is a bit of a showoff, but he's right on (almost) everything you ask him.

You are not wrong here. I asked my 15 year old to help me change a water separator on our boat so he could learn how to fix certain things. He declined to help. I said, "Son; how are you ever going to learn how to do things with your hands when you have to fix things at your own house?"

His reply? "If I need to learn how to do it, I'll look it up on Google!"

He's kind of right, ya know!?!

 

[Hitman]

Here is a (3rd Grade) Worksheet;

JUST ONE worksheet...just one....imagine all the sneaky little details in thousands upon thousands
of worksheets from K through 12!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/1...sneaking-politics-into-elementary-classrooms/

 

[madwabbit]

You are not wrong here. I asked my 15 year old to help me change a water separator on our boat so he could learn how to fix certain things. He declined to help. I said, "Son; how are you ever going to learn how to do things with your hands when you have to fix things at your own house?"

His reply? "If I need to learn how to do it, I'll look it up on Google!"

He's kind of right, ya know!?!

lol I've learned everything from basic vehicle maintenance to major home repairs to minor medical procedures on youtube. There is an unmeasurable amount of information at your fingertips, most people just take it for granted.

I left the electric work to a professional for obvious reasons- but everything else (installing cabinets, knocking down walls, installing hardwood floors, etc) was youtube university. I had a friendly contractor come evaluate my work and he said "A+. whered you learn to do that?"

Youtube.

I personally love the fact that more and more schools are teaching kids how to utilize and manipulate technology to achieve desired results. I wish they'd push this over common core, because critical and analytical thinking are traits that cannot be taught imo. I've met too many post-graduate morons that I wouldn't trust with an ipod, and an equal number of junior highschoolers that could map your small business an IT network.

 

[Jack]

You are not wrong here. I asked my 15 year old to help me change a water separator on our boat so he could learn how to fix certain things. He declined to help. I said, "Son; how are you ever going to learn how to do things with your hands when you have to fix things at your own house?"

His reply? "If I need to learn how to do it, I'll look it up on Google!"

He's kind of right, ya know!?!

Unfortunately, google only works as well as humans can explain things and interpret things. Additionally there is a lot of incorrect information out there and uninformed opinions trying to inform others. There is no substitute for hands on experience.

 

[madwabbit]

Unfortunately, google only works as well as humans can explain things and interpret things. Additionally there is a lot of incorrect information out there and uninformed opinions trying to inform others. There is no substitute for hands on experience.

I get your point, but largely disagree with you on all but highly specialized fronts.

example: Performing heart surgery, yes, hands on experience wins all day.

delivering a baby? I could google and wing it on the side of the interstate, albeit uncomfortably so.

building a PC? I could youtube it in a foreign language and still put "this piece" onto "that piece"

installing/replacing a part on a friends truck? Youtube it.

Communicate with a foreign tourist? "personal experience" is obviously preferred, but there's an app for that. App: $3.99 and 30 seconds of investment. So eh, define "no substitute"


So what's truly more valuable: being an expert in something listed here, or having the capability to do any of it on a moments notice? I'd rather know how to find an answer to anything than be expertly specialized in something replaced by an iphone.

 

[Emperor]

Unfortunately, google only works as well as humans can explain things and interpret things. Additionally there is a lot of incorrect information out there and uninformed opinions trying to inform others. There is no substitute for hands on experience.

I agree! I also agree wit da wabbit! You know where I learned how to break down and put back together an older Ruger Mark 3 (you know, that one that is a pain in the ass to put back together without being taught)?

Yube Toob!

 

[Emperor]

Here is a (3rd Grade) Worksheet;

JUST ONE worksheet...just one....imagine all the sneaky little details in thousands upon thousands
of worksheets from K through 12!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/1...sneaking-politics-into-elementary-classrooms/

That's a good example of what I'm talking about!

And you're right! This is just a smidgen of what is being brought to bare! Go back and read this thread from the beginning, then apply this example to what I put forth!

 

[madwabbit]

That's a good example of what I'm talking about!

And you're right! This is just a smidgen of what is being brought to bare! Go back and read this thread from the beginning, then apply this example to what I put forth!

fwiw, and imo only, the best education results when the student is challenged to consider both sides of any debate then provide a decision. The best teachers I ever had deployed the Socratic method and i'm here to tell you those are the only classes that I actually LEARNED anything in, as opposed to ingesting text then parroting it back on an exam for a grade.

I'm okay with them debating green energy vs fossil fuels, and encouraging the child to engage in discussion. I'm not okay with them telling kids that everyone driving an SUV is destroying the world and killing their puppy.

edit: Furthermore, the BEST thing you can do as a parent in my own opinion is stimulate their development by empowering them to challenge provided information. "We learned in school today that green energy is good and fossil fuels are bad" Well, why are they bad?

"windmills use the air and dont have any emissions (student parroting text or lecture)"

"they also cost a LOT to install and produce negligible power. the mere process of building a windmill produces more emissions a day from heavy equipment than the toyota plant does in a week. Should we do a lot of harm now to make it better later, or slowly make it better and take small steps to get the best of both worlds? What do you think?"

 

[Hitman]

Right....but 2nd and 3rd graders aren't prepared to do this.

 

[Jack]

I get your point, but largely disagree with you on all but highly specialized fronts.

example: Performing heart surgery, yes, hands on experience wins all day.

delivering a baby? I could google and wing it on the side of the interstate, albeit uncomfortably so.

building a PC? I could youtube it in a foreign language and still put "this piece" onto "that piece"

installing/replacing a part on a friends truck? Youtube it.

Communicate with a foreign tourist? "personal experience" is obviously preferred, but there's an app for that. App: $3.99 and 30 seconds of investment. So eh, define "no substitute"


So what's truly more valuable: being an expert in something listed here, or having the capability to do any of it on a moments notice? I'd rather know how to find an answer to anything than be expertly specialized in something replaced by an iphone.

I would say what is more important than either is being well rounded. There are a lot of projects where small mistakes can damage a lot of equipment. Put a rocker arm on backwards, not notice a spun cam bearing, cross a wire on electronics, improper powder type or amount in reloading, etc etc. A basic understanding of things is immensely valuable as it serves as a foundation to understand the more complex tasks.

 

[madwabbit]

Right....but 2nd and 3rd graders aren't prepared to do this.

why not?

I got in trouble in second grade for coloring a duck blue. The teacher told me I was wrong, and I got a and had to show my parents.

Dad: "Did the teacher say to color it a specific color?" No. She said "color it like a real duck"

Dad: "Have you ever seen a Blue Duck?" Yes. Grandma showed me her pet duck, it was blue.

When I (we) confronted the teacher, I said "just because you've never seen a blue duck doesn't mean that I haven't."

The lesson from dad: Challenge your educators and stand by what you know is right.

(We had recently moved to new mexico from japan- now that I think about it I'll bet shes never seen a white duck either.)

 

[madwabbit]

I would say what is more important than either is being well rounded. There are a lot of projects where small mistakes can damage a lot of equipment. Put a rocker arm on backwards, not notice a spun cam bearing, cross a wire on electronics, improper powder type or amount in reloading, etc etc. A basic understanding of things is immensely valuable as it serves as a foundation to understand the more complex tasks.

agreed. the more precise the task, the larger room for error. generally speaking, everyone with internet access is now a "jack of all trades, master of none" if they choose to be.