New Range in Killian

[returningliberty]

Sorry for being vague in my last post now that I have a minute I'll try and expand. I don't think range sponsorships will do much for you if the range isn't open to the public regularly, the same applies for donations. Obviously Killian PD has been going without their own for some time now so getting backing based on need isn't going to happen.

Without anything to put behind it, it will appear as though a CHP instructor is trying to get a range put by your house, under the guise of police and public use(no range fees for students which would increase profit kinda thing). Converting the airstrip into a longer range would give the range something most other local ranges don't have. That would give the range validity, a purpose, and a bigger appeal to sponsors.

If you just tell people it's another PD range that they might be able to go to every now and again, and is nothing special they won't care. If you tell them its a free place to shoot 300+ yards I think they'd care.

Dude, your cynicism knows no bounds. Let me try to help you a bit:

1.- my students, and other instructors who will be able to teach there, will have to pay range fees.
2.- the range fees will help the upkeep of the range, and about half my personal profit from CHP's at PD ranges goes into the range fund. To help everyone else in the PD.
3.-the original range the PD has been using is no longer viable, we have to move.
4.-I've already stated if I'm successful, the range would be open As Often As Possible to the public. The more RO's = the more range time the public has. You figure it out.
5.- if you want to open up your wallet and pay for a 300 yard range, I'd bend over backwards to make that happen for you. Until then, it's a pistol range with an adjunct 50yrd rifle range for sight in days. It's the best I can accomplish.

I've received a lot of local support already, your opinion has merit but its in the minority, I think.

 

[Jack]

Dude, your cynicism knows no bounds. Let me try to help you a bit:

1.- my students, and other instructors who will be able to teach there, will have to pay range fees.
2.- the range fees will help the upkeep of the range, and about half my personal profit from CHP's at PD ranges goes into the range fund. To help everyone else in the PD.
3.-the original range the PD has been using is no longer viable, we have to move.
4.-I've already stated if I'm successful, the range would be open As Often As Possible to the public. The more RO's = the more range time the public has. You figure it out.
5.- if you want to open up your wallet and pay for a 300 yard range, I'd bend over backwards to make that happen for you. Until then, it's a pistol range with an adjunct 50yrd rifle range for sight in days. It's the best I can accomplish.

I've received a lot of local support already, your opinion has merit but its in the minority, I think.

I'm not trying to be a killjoy at all, I just think these questions are ones you are going to be asked and you should be ready for. I commend you for taking the initiative, I just know that I've seen quite a few threads about people planning to open ranges but don't see many new ranges. Have you figured out how much this is going to cost?

 

[SpeedRacer]

Jack definitely has a sugar-free way of coating things. But honestly, I'd put more value in the criticism than the people cheering you on. Of course people will tell you it's a great idea, who doesn't want another place to shoot? But it's not an easy process and I'd hate to see anyone waste time and energy without considering every aspect.

Are PD ranges subject to the same guidelines (EPA regs, insurance, etc) as public ranges?

 

[returningliberty]

I'm not trying to be a killjoy at all, I just think these questions are ones you are going to be asked and you should be ready for. I commend you for taking the initiative, I just know that I've seen quite a few threads about people planning to open ranges but don't see many new ranges. Have you figured out how much this is going to cost?

Actually, yeah. It's an arm and a leg. We're a little bit variable because I'm not sure Which equipment I'm going to be able to get for the project yet, but that's part of the presentation in march. We'll have an exact dollar amount as a fundraising "goal" by then.

I will say I've gotten a quote from HESCO (special shout out to Nate for that lead. I couldn't get them for free but I got an idea on what it will cost) for materials, and I'm hoping to keep the fundraising goal something manageable (less than $25k) for materials and fuel, with donated time and equipment from local folks. With scope creep costs could balloon from there without good management.

 

[Dishonored]

Matt let me know if you need a hand man. I don't mind working a little, even though I will never use the range probably lol
Also let me know how much you get dirt for. Everyone this way is wanting a pretty penny. One of the reasons I haven't gotten any at the house yet and only shoot at my other place.

 

[returningliberty]

Are PD ranges subject to the same guidelines (EPA regs, insurance, etc) as public ranges?

If I said that was a tedious question would you know what I meant?

Let me add to this so it doesn't sound as bad, any official range is Supposed to be built by EPA (edit: Best Management Practices is the correct term) and be certified/insured. KPD's new range certainly will be.

 

[returningliberty]

Matt let me know if you need a hand man. I don't mind working a little, even though I will never use the range probably lol
Also let me know how much you get dirt for. Everyone this way is wanting a pretty penny. One of the reasons I haven't gotten any at the house yet and only shoot at my other place.

We won't be buying fill, part of the plan is expanding a retention pond by roughly 500yd^3 and using that as fill/berm works.

 

[Jack]

Actually, yeah. It's an arm and a leg. We're a little bit variable because I'm not sure Which equipment I'm going to be able to get for the project yet, but that's part of the presentation in march. We'll have an exact dollar amount as a fundraising "goal" by then.

I will say I've gotten a quote from HESCO for materials, and I'm hoping to keep the fundraising goal something manageable (less than $25k) for materials and fuel, with donated time and equipment from local folks. With scope creep costs could balloon from there without good management.

Have you decided who will be in control of the funds donated to/generated by the range? Something curt brought up is the EPA. It is my understanding that for profit ranges(and possibly others) are required to remove lead yearly(I could be wrong), do you know if the range you are proposing would fall under that guideline?

 

[returningliberty]

Have you decided who will be in control of the funds donated to/generated by the range? Something curt brought up is the EPA. It is my understanding that for profit ranges(and possibly others) are required to remove lead yearly(I could be wrong), do you know if the range you are proposing would fall under that guideline?

I Don't know that yet, I have only looked at the EPA guidelines so far, I haven't spoken with them. You're actually going right down my WBS and asking the same questions I had/still have.
So far, the I only information I have is lots of Police ranges do not mine the berms yearly, but some do. I also don't have any information on hybrid police/public ranges. Right now I'm basing my assumptions that we'll need to do everything a regular private range does since we'll be open to the public, but I could be wrong on that. I don't have that information yet.

Oh, forgot to address your funds questions. Yes, that's been decided early. Control was a big issue.

 

[Jack]

I Don't know that yet, I have only looked at the EPA guidelines so far, I haven't spoken with them. You're actually going right down my WBS and asking the same questions I had/still have.
So far, the I only information I have is lots of Police ranges do not mine the berms yearly, but some do. I also don't have any information on hybrid police/public ranges. Right now I'm basing my assumptions that we'll need to do everything a regular private range does since we'll be open to the public, but I could be wrong on that. I don't have that information yet.

Biggest thing that might bend you over is drainage. If the range drains into a waterway, you've got serious problems.

 

[returningliberty]

Biggest thing that might bend you over is drainage. If the range drains into a waterway, you've got serious problems.

Hence the earlier post about expanding a retention pond. We could also dig a new one. There is a creek that runs close by the range and the drainage problem has me paranoid. That could end up costing a LOT of money

 

[troy_mclure]

Actually, yeah. It's an arm and a leg. We're a little bit variable because I'm not sure Which equipment I'm going to be able to get for the project yet, but that's part of the presentation in march. We'll have an exact dollar amount as a fundraising "goal" by then.

I will say I've gotten a quote from HESCO (special shout out to Nate for that lead. I couldn't get them for free but I got an idea on what it will cost) for materials, and I'm hoping to keep the fundraising goal something manageable (less than $25k) for materials and fuel, with donated time and equipment from local folks. With scope creep costs could balloon from there without good management.

have you contacted your local corp of engineer branch? they are always looking for practice projects to use their equipment, plus some of the bigger districs often have excess/damaged materials like hesco baskets and pallets of sand bags.

 

[returningliberty]

have you contacted your local corp of engineer branch? they are always looking for practice projects to use their equipment, plus some of the bigger districs often have excess/damaged materials like hesco baskets and pallets of sand bags.

That's a great idea, I totally overlooked it. I'll contact them tomorrow. Thanks!

 

[kk5fe]

Matt, I'll be one of the attaboy people! But I can also put my money where my mouth is and help out too. I'm behind you. Let us know when the town hall meeting is.... if I can make it, I'd like to listen in.

 

[returningliberty]

Matt, I'll be one of the attaboy people! But I can also put my money where my mouth is and help out too. I'm behind you. Let us know when the town hall meeting is.... if I can make it, I'd like to listen in.

Thank you, I'll post it here and try to get a direct mail flyer out for everyone. Or something.


I also wanted to be clear on one thing: there is definitely NOT going to be a 300yrd rifle range, I was being a bit facetious when I said that. The 100yrd sight in targets may still be doable, I'm looking into that.

 

[JBP55]

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[returningliberty]

Hey guys, I just wanted to give you an update here. I'll be holding an informal meeting on Friday afternoon 29 March @ Killian Town Hall to present our findings and show the project / answer questions and address concerns. Since we will open the range to the public when we can, you're all welcome to attend and show support for a new range and voice your opinions. I'm hoping we'll have a good conversation about the wants and needs of the public and be able to take in as many quality ideas as possible to balance the needs of the local PD's.
Everything is still tenuous and dynamic right now, but I'll be working very hard to hammer out as many problem areas as possible Beforehand and be able to give a detailed presentation with concrete plans (no more scope creep!). That's our goal.

 

[Jack]

You get the runoff issues and EPA requirements figured out?

 

[returningliberty]

You get the runoff issues and EPA requirements figured out?

ya we had that cracked within a few hours. Might have a civil engineer sign off on it though just to cross all our T's.

 

[chrtart]

As a resident of Terry Harbor that actually lives in the back near the airstrip, I am not cool with this AT ALL! We already have to put up with hearing gunshots during gun season, now you're saying its going to be year round? I moved out there for the peace and quiet, this is unacceptable.