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  • jstokes1

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    How is that? Have I said that I was going to say that I was going to do something, then lost my nuts, then avoided the discussion until it was harped on over and over?

    I work and go to school full time, I don't always have time to linger over a forum. I apologize if my reply was long awaited.
     

    jstokes1

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    Now, forgive me for being skeptical, but who do we have as a witness besides the 64 year old Army vet that the officer in question, for no reason whatsoever, pulled his duty weapon and pointed it at said veteran?

    I am not saying this couldn't or didn't happen, I just find these stories hard to believe.

    I have had my own adverse encounter with law enforcement, things like this do happen. Happened to me in Raceland last year when I was legally shooting on my property, but that is another story. They are luck I didn't want to sue, but that would have been a big hassle.
     

    pulpsmack

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    $15,000 is not a significant sum. I'm sure the main point was to slap them on the hand for not knowing better. The additional training is what was needed, though.

    Guys that just sue with the intent of making $$$ off of a cop's ignorance to the law is just dumb. As much of a gun hobbyist as I am, I don't know all the laws. I wouldn't expect an officer to know ever law out there (though one would hope that they'd at least know they are an open carry state...).

    Glad no one got hurt and they pushed for more training.

    Wait, WHAT?

    The guy was taking advantage of the "ignorance" of the officer? Your "exploitation of ignorance" is my "assault with a deadly weapon" but "tomayto-tomahto" I guess.

    Also what ignorance is this? You get cited for anything, and oldest adage in the language comes up... "Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law". How exactly do you justify slack for an individual who draws a paycheck (comprised of tax revenue) for the purpose of enforcing the law?
     

    SVT

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    Wait, WHAT?

    The guy was taking advantage of the "ignorance" of the officer? Your "exploitation of ignorance" is my "assault with a deadly weapon" but "tomayto-tomahto" I guess.

    Also what ignorance is this? You get cited for anything, and oldest adage in the language comes up... "Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law". How exactly do you justify slack for an individual who draws a paycheck (comprised of tax revenue) for the purpose of enforcing the law?

    good points to consider.
     

    jstokes1

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    So back on topic, do you guys believe that this citizen was in the right, or should have have just given the officer his firearm and complied? I believe he did the right thing, wish others would as well.
     

    Leadfoot

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    One thing you learn after being in law enforcement for any length of time is that people most often don't tell the truth.

    They may not always outright lie, but they may omit some details that if discovered, shed a whole different light upon the subject.

    Police officers, while human, fall into this same category. However, police officers are held to a much higher standard than the general public, and there is usually
    some sort of mechanism in place to back up the officer's side of the situation. (camera, audio, etc.)

    I NEVER take the story of anyone at face value.

    Again, not saying this didn't happen, but I am skeptical that this man had an officer draw down on him for absolutely no reason. And if this officer did, for no reason, draw down on this man who posed no clear threat to his or anyone else's safety, he should be looking for a new line of work.
     

    jstokes1

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    One thing you learn after being in law enforcement for any length of time is that people most often don't tell the truth.

    They may not always outright lie, but they may omit some details that if discovered, shed a whole different light upon the subject.

    Police officers, while human, fall into this same category. However, police officers are held to a much higher standard than the general public, and there is usually
    some sort of mechanism in place to back up the officer's side of the situation. (camera, audio, etc.)

    I NEVER take the story of anyone at face value.

    Again, not saying this didn't happen, but I am skeptical that this man had an officer draw down on him for absolutely no reason. And if this officer did, for no reason, draw down on this man who posed no clear threat to his or anyone else's safety, he should be looking for a new line of work.

    I understand your point, there is always a reason for the most part, but not all reasons are justified; best to look at all of the facts, but most of the time it's only a one sided argument. However, I am leaning toward the citizen do to the fact that the station is paying for damages to his civil rights, and retraining of the officers was mandated. This leads me to believe that whatever the officer's reasons, they weren't enough to supersede his actions and the consequences that ensued because of his actions. All in all, a great outcome, glad no loss of life was part of this ordeal.
     
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