Cliven Bundy Cattle Rancher Situation

Anyone watching this?

Of course details are limited.

Basically it seems Old man Cliven is claiming his family has been raising cattle on this land since the 1800's.
Which is a fact.

Big Environment came in and claimed it part of some special project area.

Now they've been telling Clive to get his cattle OFF the Gov. Land.

Clive said in a News Interview, ain't gunna happen and stopped short of saying
he'd battle it out if he had to.

Now local forums are buzzing with people attempting to gather up 'Armed' supporters
to show up in support of Clive.

Big Problem considering there are hundreds of Federal Agents all over that place
and have it blocked off.

Lots going on here;
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...rmed-confrontation-rancher-feds-looms-nevada/

*They have my cattle and now they have one of my boys.
Range War begins tomorrow.*

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That’s yesterday’s deeply worrying prediction from one Cliven Bundy,
a Nevada rancher who ran afoul of the feds.

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He won't kill them all but the feds will him. I heard that BRPD is sending a MRAP in support of the assault.

Always more to the story!

Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing



By Robert Gearty
·Published April 07, 2014·
FoxNews.com


Cliven Bundy said his family's herd has always grazed on public land. (Courtesy Bundy Ranch)



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For 20 years, a tough-as-leather Nevada rancher and the federal government have been locked in a bitter range war over cattle grazing rights.

This weekend the confrontation got worse, when the feds hired contract cowboys to start seizing Cliven Bundy's cattle, which have been grazing on public land managed by the Bureau of Land Management. The government officials brought a show of force that included dozens of armed agents in SUVs and helicopters.


Bundy, 67, who has been a rancher all his life, accuses BLM of stampeding over on his rights.

*This is a lot bigger deal than just my cows,* Bundy told FoxNews.com. *It’s a statement for freedom and liberty and the Constitution.*

The fight involves a 600,000-acre area under BLM control called Gold Butte, near the Utah border. The vast and rugged land is the habitat of the protected desert tortoise, and the land has been off-limits for cattle since 1998. Five years before that, when grazing was legal, Bundy stopped paying federal fees for the right.

*For more than two decades, cattle have been grazed illegally on public lands in northeast Clark County,* the BLM said in a statement. *BLM and (the National Park Service) have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially. Impoundment of cattle illegally grazing on public lands is an option of last resort.*

But Bundy said he has grazed cattle on the land for decades, and his father and father's father did long before his 1,000 cattle roamed the area. He has long defied orders from bureaucrats he says are bent on running him out of business.

Just before the round-up began this weekend, Bundy said federal agents surrounded his 150-acre ranch. His son was arrested on Sunday in an incident involving the agents.

*They’ve been bringing men in and equipment and setting up a compound,* Bundy told FoxNews.com Monday. *They got helicopters flying low. They got snipers around the ranch. Our access to public lands has been blocked.*

*We’re not pointing guns at anyone but we’re sure getting a lot of guns pointed at us.*
- Carol Bundy, wife of Nevada rancher

Bundy said he is worried BLM might try to turn the situation into another Waco or Ruby Ridge.

*Yeah, there’s a little fear in me,* Bundy said. *They’re definitely set up to do that.*

Federal officials said BLM enforcement agents were dispatched in response to statements Bundy made that the agency perceived as threats.

*When threats are made that could jeopardize the safety of the American people, the contractors and our personnel; we have the responsibility to provide law enforcement to account for their safety,* National Park Service spokeswoman Christie Vanover told reporters Sunday.

Bundy, who does not have an attorney, spoke to FoxNews.com from Las Vegas, where he had gone early Monday morning to ask Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie for help. Last week, Gillespie told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that neither Bundy nor the BLM should resort to violence.

*No drop of human blood is worth spilling over any cow,* Gillespie said.

Back at the ranch, Bundy's wife Carol said she and her husband were not looking for trouble.

*We’re not pointing guns at anyone, but we’re sure getting a lot of guns pointed at us,* she said.

The trouble started when Bundy stopped paying grazing fees in 1993. He said he didn't have to because his Mormon ancestors worked the land since the 1880s, giving him rights to the land.

*We own this land,* he said, not the feds. He said he is willing to pay grazing fees but only to Clark County, not BLM.

*Years ago, I used to have 52 neighboring ranchers,* he said. *I’m the last man standing. How come? Because BLM regulated these people off the land and out of business.*

He said he won’t let the feds do that to him.

*I said, ‘No.’ Then, ‘Hell, no,’* he said.

BLM said in a statement two judges ordered Bundy to remove his cattle from Gold Butte. The Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental group, said the federal action was long overdue.

*Despite having no legal right to do so, cattle from Bundy’s ranch have continued to graze throughout the Gold Butte area, competing with tortoises for food, hindering the ability of plants to recover from extensive wildfires, trampling rare plants, damaging ancient American Indian cultural sites and threatening the safety of recreationists,* Rob Mrowka, a spokesman for the group, said in a statement.

cattle from Bundy’s ranch have continued to graze throughout the Gold Butte area,
competing with tortoises for food,
hindering the ability of plants to recover from extensive wildfires,
trampling rare plants, damaging ancient American Indian cultural sites
and threatening the safety of recreationists,*
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man that sounds like a PETA handout.

Wait wait wait. So you mean if you flagrantly break the law for 20+ years, the government might actually do something about it???

olivs260 said:

Wait wait wait. So you mean if you flagrantly break the law for 20+ years, the government might actually do something about it???

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NAW....REALLY!? Huh, thats news to me! LOL

I am surprised this guy doesn't have a Youtube channel.

He may have a case for ownership by adverse possession.

Leonidas said:

He may have a case for ownership by adverse possession.

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Well there is actually a lot more to the story than just "breaking the law for 20 years".

Pretty sure an in-depth discussion about it won't happen judging by the comments.
I've read that the Land was deemed a sanctuary initially b/c of a ..........Turtle.

Since then, it's been a fight with Cliven for fear of losing the turtle,
and that his families cows have been grazing there for, well like he said. Since the 1800's.

Never been a problem.....until the turtle.....

Hitman said:

Well there is actually a lot more to the story than just "breaking the law for 20 years".

Pretty sure an in-depth discussion about it won't happen judging by the comments.
I've read that the Land was deemed a sanctuary initially b/c of a ..........Turtle.

Since then, it's been a fight with Cliven for fear of losing the turtle,
and that his families cows have been grazing there for, well like he said. Since the 1800's.

Never been a problem.....until the turtle.....

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From what I've read, it sounds like a whacko environmentalist group issue is part of the problem, but he stopped paying for the rights to have his cattle graze there years before the turtle thing. You can't just not pay for the rights to use certain land, and keep on using it. His reference to a "range war" only hurts him, and it honestly makes him sound like a crazy OFWG. Molon Labe, right?

olivs260 said:

From what I've read, it sounds like a whacko environmentalist group issue is part of the problem, but he stopped paying for the rights to have his cattle graze there years before the turtle thing. You can't just not pay for the rights to use certain land, and keep on using it. His reference to a "range war" only hurts him, and it honestly makes him sound like a crazy OFWG. Molon Labe, right?

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Good point.
I think he never had paid. Then he started to, but had a change of heart saying,
since he never did before, he should never have to.
I'm pretty sure he has not ALWAYS paid to allow them to graze.
That was started way after his families cows were grazing on the land.

His statement gives me chills.
That's one thing we could definitely do without!

So one of the main reasons why they're allocating all these agents, helicopters, blah blah is for a f??king turtle?!?!?!?!?! How much $$ is Operation Urgent Tortoise setting back the taxpayers?


Any chance we could relocate some of these precious turtles to the Mexican border? It might help improve border security.

It doesn't matter why the government booted him off the land, it ISN'T HIS LAND. Never was.

oleheat said:

So one of the main reasons why they're allocating all these agents, helicopters, blah blah is for a f??king turtle?!?!?!?!?! How much $$ is Operation Urgent Tortoise setting back the taxpayers?


Any chance we could relocate some of these precious turtles to the Mexican border? It might help improve border security.

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No I think they are allocating the assets because the guy decided he didn't want to follow laws that tens of thousands of other grazing rights owners have to follow. I bet there were a lot less cops involved before he started threatening a "Range War".

Yeah, probably so. Not sure that will help his case.

SpeedRacer said:

It doesn't matter why the government booted him off the land, it ISN'T HIS LAND. Never was.

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Exactly!

"Get off my lawn; Free-Shitter!"

BTW; I have been letting my dog crap in the same Brec Park for years! It must be mine now!

oleheat said:

So one of the main reasons why they're allocating all these agents, helicopters, blah blah is for a f??king turtle?!?!?!?!?! How much $$ is Operation Urgent Tortoise setting back the taxpayers?


Any chance we could relocate some of these precious turtles to the Mexican border? It might help improve border security.

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Well don't quote me on that Brother! lol
But that is what I read as being the root of the Land Management Movement
which eventually ended with this area of land being a sort of sanctuary for the turtle, and then for other animals.

But I guess the main point is that many others now pay the rights, he doesn't. No fair.

Hitman said:

Well don't quote me on that Brother! lol
But that is what I read as being the root of the Land Management Movement
which eventually ended with this area of land being a sort of sanctuary for the turtle, and then for other animals.

But I guess the main point is that many others now pay the rights, he doesn't. No fair.

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Yeah, true enough....Maybe the old codger has seen "Open Range" one too many times...

SpeedRacer said:

It doesn't matter why the government booted him off the land, it ISN'T HIS LAND. Never was.

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This is the correct answer.

JBP55 said:

This is the correct answer.

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Still don't make it right, I think it's messed up they didn't want to try to get him off years ago. He says he don't have a problem with paying the fees. Now the government is spending a Million plus to an independent contractor to round up his 500 cows, plus all of the armed support around the land. Sounds like money well spent. He was there before the government, hope it ends peacefully. And I didn't hear him in the video make any remarks about range time.