Cliven Bundy Cattle Rancher Situation

[JBP55]

*For more than two decades, cattle have been grazed illegally on public lands in northeast Clark County,* the BLM said in a statement. *BLM and (the National Park Service) have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially. Impoundment of cattle illegally grazing on public lands is an option of last resort.*

 

[Hitman]

JB I think we know why NOW at the present it's (unlawful).

But from his perspective. His family has been there for over a hundred years
with their cattle.

THEN, Big Gov comes in,
declares it a Land Management Area
and starts charging folks grazing fees.

In his eyes, he feels like Native Americans did.

I'm not saying I agree with his resistance per say, or that I would do the same.
But I do feel like I understand his frustration.

 

[SpeedRacer]

It was never his land. He is fortunate that he was able to use it for so long. Still wasn't his. There is no such thing as land that doesn't belong to SOMEONE. If his family decided to build a cattle business based on land they didn't own that was pretty dumb if you ask me.

 

[Hitman]

It was never his land. He is fortunate that he was able to use it for so long. Still wasn't his. There is no such thing as land that doesn't belong to SOMEONE. If his family decided to build a cattle business based on land they didn't own that was pretty dumb if you ask me.

Yea I hear ya. But who knows who owned what in 1850?

 

[SpeedRacer]

Yea I hear ya. But who knows who owned what in 1850?

So you're saying this guy's family owned 600,000 acres of land yet he has no way to prove it? I'm pretty sure even in 1850 you couldn't just claim 600K acres because your cows crapped on it.

 

[Hitman]

So you're saying this guy's family owned 600,000 acres of land yet he has no way to prove it? I'm pretty sure even in 1850 you couldn't just claim 600K acres because your cows crapped on it.

Noooo I'm not saying that.

It would just be interesting to know who owns/owned it since/when his family has been on it.
(Supposedly 150 years)
He's not claiming 600,000 Acres is he?
and if they didn't own it,
who let them act like they did
until the Federal Government had to get involved
and say different?

 

[SpeedRacer]

Noooo I'm not saying that.

It would just be interesting to know who owns/owned it since/when his family has been on it.
(Supposedly 150 years)
He's not claiming 600,000 Acres is he?
and if they didn't own it,
who let them act like they did
until the Federal Government had to get involved
and say different?

I would assume the National Park Service. It says he stopped paying grazing fees to the federal government, which means at one point he was paying grazing fees, but doesn't say for how long. His family coulda been paying for 100 years. Either way it is a pretty good indicator he knew the land wasn't his.

 

[Hitman]

I would assume the National Park Service. It says he stopped paying grazing fees to the federal government, which means at one point he was paying grazing fees, but doesn't say for how long. His family coulda been paying for 100 years. Either way it is a pretty good indicator he knew the land wasn't his.

Post #11 is where I mentioned that earlier.
I don't think the Grazing Fee is 100 years old,
b/c apparently the fee didn't exist
until the land management was declared.

the BLM canceled his federal grazing permit 20 years ago after the rancher refused to accept new land-use rules for protecting the threatened desert tortoise and stopped paying his fees.

Bundy’s beef with federal land management officials dates back to 1993, according to federal officials, when Bundy’s allotment for grazing his cattle on public land was modified to include protections for the desert tortoise. Bundy, who told the Associated Press his family has been ranching this part of Nevada since the 1870s, did not accept the modified terms, and continued to let his cattle graze anyway.

This is how I understand the timeline;
So his cattle was feeding freely.
The Gov claims it and then charges fee to graze.
He starts paying.
Shortly after... Gov proposes new land-rules
(of which he obviously didn't agree with)
in order to protect the turtle.
Rancher refuses to participate any longer.

My question is, who owns that 600k? or did...
If not ALWAYS the Gov, who then?
...and if no one ever did, why does the Gov. just get to come in
and claim the stake down on 600k acres?
Yes, yes b/c they can .... but really that sounds like horse ****.

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The son has been released....
....but then this....

Clivens son promises a major change in this situation between rancher & the government to happen tomorrow Thurs 4-10-14 and it is supposed to broadcast live on the Josh Trolly show.

Maybe they talked some sense into him?

We can only hope .....

 

[oleheat]

Hope it all works out peacefully.



But I can't help but wonder....what in Hades are these cattle grazing on- rocks? LOL

 

[Hitman]

I know! Was thinking the same thing. They must be some scroungy cows!

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Post #11 is where I mentioned that earlier.
I don't think the Grazing Fee is 100 years old,
b/c apparently the fee didn't exist
until the land management was declared.





This is how I understand the timeline;
So his cattle was feeding freely.
The Gov claims it and then charges fee to graze.
He starts paying.
Shortly after... Gov proposes new land-rules
(of which he obviously didn't agree with)
in order to protect the turtle.
Rancher refuses to participate any longer.

My question is, who owns that 600k? or did...
If not ALWAYS the Gov, who then?
...and if no one ever did, why does the Gov. just get to come in
and claim the stake down on 600k acres?
Yes, yes b/c they can .... but really that sounds like horse ****.

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The son has been released....
....but then this....




Maybe they talked some sense into him?

We can only hope .....

BLM manages Federal Land. The land became the Feds when it wasn't claimed by homesteaders. Basically after the choice bits were picked the remainder became Public Land. It's why all of the BLM Property is West of The Mississippi River.

 

[Hitman]

The Bastard Turtle

 

[Hitman]

BLM manages Federal Land. The land became the Feds when it wasn't claimed by homesteaders. Basically after the choice bits were picked the remainder became Public Land. It's why all of the BLM Property is West of The Mississippi River.

Good Info. Man I can't believe 600,000 acres was sitting out there unclaimed.....

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

It's a whole lot more than 600K Acres...

 

[Jack]

The Bastard Turtle

That is a dry ass turtle

 

[Jack]

Good Info. Man I can't believe 600,000 acres was sitting out there unclaimed.....

For perspective, there are approximately 2,500,000,000 acres in America.

 

[oleheat]

That is a dry ass turtle

He's got that "just put one between my eyes and end this $hit- I'm in Hell" look written all over his miserable turtle face....

 

[Hitman]

For perspective, there are approximately 2,500,000,000 acres in America.

Yea true that. I guess it's not exactly PRIME real estate.

Hell only Old Ass ranchers and Dry Ass Turtles live there


Same Species....even drier....

 

[Jack]

Yea true that. I guess it's not exactly PRIME real estate.

Hell only Old Ass ranchers and Dry Ass Turtles live there


Same Species....even drier....

CHAPPED!

 

[Hitman]

CHAP CHAP!