Stripped Lowers group buy - Confirmed with Vendor that delivery is in 6 weeks!

[Armnhammer]

Just my opinion, but attitudes like that is why dickheads like Norbert continually scam people online. Their goal is to make a score significant enough to be worth their time, but insignificant enough to avoid retaliation.

I think the rest of y'all are right to pursue this, as far y'all need to go....just perhaps discuss it over email and not here.

I'm not saying it isn't worth pursuing. I'm just saying I can't see him putting in 2 years on this forum and going through all this to pull off this scam, yet still order half the lowers.


MOΛΩN ΛABE

 

[bigjakewelch]

I have been in touch with DSA and am waiting on a call back. I will update as soon as I get word from them.

 

[Paulup]

The following is what I just received in an email from Norbert:

First and foremost I would like to apologize to everyone that is involved in this matter. This is not a BS story to smooth things over and or to buy time. This email is to simply explain what took place and explain what is being done to correct it.

There were 42 lowers ordered from DSA by me under my name, I have never acted on behalf of Jake Welch’ or his business All American gun smiting at any time. Not sure where this information came from but it’s not true. All of the responsibility and reliability falls under my name only.
Out of the 42 lowers 23 were paid for and delivered which leaves 19 outstanding lowers X 125 dollars apiece equaling 2375 dollars that will be paid back by me to Jake Welch. This will unfortunately not be an overnight or a couple of days turnaround time. It will take at least 3 weeks or so to pay back an outstanding loan onto my 401k plan since you can only borrow one loan at a time. The amount of the current loan is 550 dollars so it’s luckily a fairly low number. Ones the amount is paid off I can fully borrow about 70% of the money owned to you guys and would be sent to Jake with a certified check by my bank. The rest of the money would obviously come in payments as paying the amount of the 2nd loan back would be impossible to do with my income. I fully understand and accept what could be coming my way as an individual and not blaming anyone or would hide from anyone but if I’m hurt/dead/locked up I won’t be able to pay anyone back which I fully intend to do. I have created a doubt in every single person that paid money to me so this email may mean nothing toward believing in me but I needed to say and put my plans to fix the problem out here.


Where the rest of the money went:

I’m a married man with 2 kids and a wife and not the perfect husband. My wife took almost 5k including the 2375 from the bank about 2 months ago and borrowed from my 401k and left for California. I should have admitted to you guys right when I found this out but I simply panic and next to dealing with life it’s self I tried to figure out a way to still get the money back and pay for the lowers and just simply move on and figure out my life afterward. Honestly I was afraid of a lot of things which is the reason why I didn’t just simply say my wife took the money and I wasn’t responsible enough to keep an eye on the bank to know better. I trusted her but that’s what you’re supposed to do someone you marry. During my planning on how to gather the missing funds I started selling everything and anything to raise extra money but I really don’t have a lot of **** to sell so it never happened. I don’t own any boats or bikes otherwise I would have sold it in a heartbeat to pay the money back. I have a rent and two cars that are far from being paid off and a 4k outstanding bill from the Dr’s office after my son was born. Your money never paid for any of my bills and I never touched it for personal use. The money was taken but I am still responsible to pay back every cent in a timely fashion.

I would call every single person and explain this but some people simply don’t want to hear it or sent me death text messages etc… so I’m left with email to explain what took place and what I’m doing to correct it.

Obviously I can’t stop anyone from their actions against me at this point but I would like the have the chance to show that I’m not here to take anyone’s hard earn money and not pay it back.

 

[bigjakewelch]

I would like everyone that still has lowers out on this group buy to send me a PM with your contact info (email, telephone, and real name) I know most off you have sent it to me in the past but it would make it allot easier on me to get this moving if you would do it again. Thanks.

 

[Paulup]

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[returningliberty]

So the "wife" took the money? Man I'm glad I skipped this one. I feel sorry for you guys. This sucks.

If any of you Actively Waiting on your lower/money and need a CHP contact me for a free course. Maybe I can help relieve some of that built up stress. I would personally be chewing on the walls at this point.

 

[Jack]

Is it common for wives to be able to take out loans from their husbands 401ks without their knowledge?

 

[edman87k5]

I believe this story is similar to another he posted when called out on a scam. Lets see, his brother was killed in action and he was trying to cope with it and going to join the service to fill brothers place. Or something like that.

Didnt we also pay a per lower shipping fee of $5 or so?
Either way, I doubt we ever see a penny, and think his story is total BS.
Didnt he claim to make around 70k a year, yet he has a 401k loan out for a few dollars and cannot come up with a few grand to keep a lynch mob down? It must really suck having towatch behind your back every day of you life because you have scammed people all over the internet!

 

[mpl006]

I believe this story is similar to another he posted when called out on a scam. Lets see, his brother was killed in action and he was trying to cope with it and going to join the service to fill brothers place. Or something like that.

Didnt we also pay a per lower shipping fee of $5 or so?
Either way, I doubt we ever see a penny, and think his story is total BS.
Didnt he claim to make around 70k a year, yet he has a 401k loan out for a few dollars and cannot come up with a few grand to keep a lynch mob down? It must really suck having towatch behind your back every day of you life because you have scammed people all over the internet!

There are so many things wrong with what he has said. In post #50 on 1/11 he is "headed off to bed to have sex with the wifey," then in post #68 on 1/13 he says, "recently here I became a Daddy, on June 22nd I had my son born his name is Jakob and I have a beautiful fiance named Melissa."

In post #61 he claims to make 68k a year and wouldn't risk everything for "a few grand." When I lived in Shreveport, I made 50k a year and my wife did not work. I paid around 900 a month in rent and if I needed to come up with $550, it wouldn't have taken me long to do so.

In his email he claims that his wife/fiancé ran off with the money and left him. He then says that he doesn't have any toys, boats or bikes, to sale or he would to be able to pay us back, but then says he has rent and TWO cars that are no where near payed off. Seems to me he could sale one of those since it is just him now with the most a one year old kid. I don't see the need in the second car, unless his wife is still around and needs a ride.

If I can find these things wrong, it's pretty obvious. I think one of my biggest faults is being too trustworthy. That may be changing now.

ETA: One of the most telling things is based on the list that he gave to Jake, there was money collected on 45 lowers and he states in his email that he only ordered 42 originally.

 

[Metryshooter]

It'd be nice if the guy were to provide a receipt for the lowers to show that they did cost $125 a piece, that is for the ones he didn't screw out of.
Wife took off? 401k? When are you going to stop making up BS stories and admit that you're an internet fraud?

 

[mpl006]

I called and talked to DS Arms today and the salesman I talked to said that there was originally 45 lowers ordered and they showed that 23 had shipped and after "multiple failed attempts to contact the dealer" they canceled the remainder of the order. I didn't think to ask when they canceled or why they were trying to contact someone. The guy told me that if we were to fix whatever the problem was, they would try to get us the lowers sooner than the 6 month quote they are giving new orders right now.

I wanted to update on this. I called back yesterday since Jake was still out of the country to find out from them when the order was canceled and what the information was they were looking for. When I called, a different person answered and when I talked to her she told me that the original order was for 23 lowers and didn't mention anything about the order being larger and having to be cancelled. Not sure which one to believe. Hopefully when Jake talks to them tomorrow, he can get to the bottom of it from their side, not that I think any of us will be very surprised by what they say.

 

[LNSvince]

Although this is NO where near resolved, I want to thank BIG Jake for spending damn near his ENTIRE day making phone calls and putting the puzzle together.
Rather than spend his first day back with family, he delt with this. Yes he has money too, but in general for all of us.
Everyone email Big Jake with your info. I think his plan is to privately tell all involved what his puzzle piece looks like.
Makes sense to not want all the fuss on the forums yet till we ALL get our business solved.

This way we "ALL' can ban together and hopefully come up with a group decision on how were gonna handle this.
I can tell you this, NO ONE IS WAITING on him for 3 weeks.
This is not his first rodeo. This is not the first time he has been exposed.
But this time, he made SEVERAL mistakes that will come back to haunt him.

I would like everyone that still has lowers out on this group buy to send me a PM with your contact info (email, telephone, and real name) I know most off you have sent it to me in the past but it would make it allot easier on me to get this moving if you would do it again. Thanks.

Vince

 

[LNSvince]

OH, and YES, ONLY 23 lowers were ordered............. Everything else is

 

[doc ace]

So the "wife" took the money? Man I'm glad I skipped this one. I feel sorry for you guys. This sucks.

If any of you Actively Waiting on your lower/money and need a CHP contact me for a free course. Maybe I can help relieve some of that built up stress. I would personally be chewing on the walls at this point.

You're a good man for offering that up.

 

[returningliberty]

You're a good man for offering that up.

We've got one taker already. Thank you, but it's not costing me anything but time, really. No biggie on my part, but it might help a few of these guys out.

 

[headcase]

If only 23 lowers were ordered but Norbutt collected money for more, but didn't order them, wouldn't that be theft by fraud? Further, using the internet to steal money would be considered wire fraud, a federal crime if I'm correct. Also, his pattern of selling things online and screwing people (stealing from them) repeatedly should constitute a pattern of engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise be a RICO violation. Would contacting the state Attorney General or the La. Consumer Protection Agency be helpfull. How about the U.S. attorney General or Federal Consumer Protection agency for the RICO violations. I would like my money back but it would give me greater satisfaction to see him prosecuted and jailed for his "crimes" so he would not continue his bullsh!t, except maybe in jail or prison. How about PayPal, could we get any releif there?

 

[king4456]

If only 23 lowers were ordered but Norbutt collected money for more, but didn't order them, wouldn't that be theft by fraud? Further, using the internet to steal money would be considered wire fraud, a federal crime if I'm correct. Also, his pattern of selling things online and screwing people (stealing from them) repeatedly should constitute a pattern of engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise be a RICO violation. Would contacting the state Attorney General or the La. Consumer Protection Agency be helpfull. How about the U.S. attorney General or Federal Consumer Protection agency for the RICO violations. I would like my money back but it would give me greater satisfaction to see him proscuted and jailed for his "crimes" so he would not continue his bullsh!t, except maybe in jail or prison. How about PayPal, could we get any releif there?

I got three lowers that did come in and I am not owed anything. If I were I would not want the lowers just this guy in jail. I know its easy to say now.

 

[asianpersuasion]

Jake thanks for the hard work your doing and any other people helping out. I feel like **** bc I told a buddy this gb was safe since BS is a small and local forum

 

[Lokin4AReason]

wow, this happened here also

i have seen this on multiple site(s)

they are having a rough time thru this and this is total ....

 

[king4456]

wow, this happened here also

i have seen this on multiple site(s)

they are having a rough time thru this and this is total ....

Who is "they"