I was in the same place before deciding on a boxer. It still amazes me how many people still ask why I got a pit bull though.
We have two boxers now and couldn't be happier with them.
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4 year old killed by pit bull in Houma
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We have two boxers now and couldn't be happier with them.
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cypressjeff
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There's absolutely no logic to your post and I'm surprised to find it on a gun site. Jeeze. This topic has been beaten over and over in front of anyone with open ears. The only difference in a 30 round magazine and 3 x ten round magazines is about 1 second in the hand of someone with just a little training while watching TV.
this thread mirrors my facebook wall for the last 48 hours and really frustrates me. My first real job was at a K9 training facility in fayetteville, nc and I've worked with many of these "aggressive" breeds.
I've personally owned and trained dobermans, german sheperds, rotties, boxers, and pitts over the years (one of each to be precise).
Easiest to train: Germ shep.
Best Temperament: Germ Shep
Most aggressive to intruders or "strangers": Doberman/Rottie in a photo finish
Best around kids: Germ shep by a landslide
Dogs that bit others despite having ears pulled, their bowl taken away, or tonka trucks smacking them in the face: zero
Only one I wouldn't trust near my child: the staffordshire (pit)
She was the sweetest and most loving dog of the lot, but had a prey drive that you wouldn't believe. The other dogs would chase squirrels or raccoons, or tree cats... she wanted it and wanted it dead. Excellent family dog, but whilst I am a believer that it is absolutely how they are raised that dictates their mental stability, she had the strongest innate prey drive of the lot and I had every dog from weeks old. The stories regarding this breed about "she was the sweetest thing we can't believe she killed someone" are absolutely legitimate.
Oh, and small dogs like your 3lb 5lb and 10lb lapcats that bark? they bite more people than big dogs do, exponentially. Difference is when a jack russell nips your finger you smack it and grab a bandaid. When one of the aforementioned dogs nips, its a trip to the ER. ALL dogs have it in them to do this under specific circumstances.
Let's consider your "facts and data sheet" that you guys linked: who the heck calls 911 because a pug nipped and scratched their ankle? It's like saying "the guns that take most kids' vision is the red rider BB gun" ...well, sure- no one's shooting their eye out with a super soaker and if they did they dang sure aren't reporting it.
I've personally owned and trained dobermans, german sheperds, rotties, boxers, and pitts over the years (one of each to be precise).
Easiest to train: Germ shep.
Best Temperament: Germ Shep
Most aggressive to intruders or "strangers": Doberman/Rottie in a photo finish
Best around kids: Germ shep by a landslide
Dogs that bit others despite having ears pulled, their bowl taken away, or tonka trucks smacking them in the face: zero
Only one I wouldn't trust near my child: the staffordshire (pit)
She was the sweetest and most loving dog of the lot, but had a prey drive that you wouldn't believe. The other dogs would chase squirrels or raccoons, or tree cats... she wanted it and wanted it dead. Excellent family dog, but whilst I am a believer that it is absolutely how they are raised that dictates their mental stability, she had the strongest innate prey drive of the lot and I had every dog from weeks old. The stories regarding this breed about "she was the sweetest thing we can't believe she killed someone" are absolutely legitimate.
Oh, and small dogs like your 3lb 5lb and 10lb lapcats that bark? they bite more people than big dogs do, exponentially. Difference is when a jack russell nips your finger you smack it and grab a bandaid. When one of the aforementioned dogs nips, its a trip to the ER. ALL dogs have it in them to do this under specific circumstances.
Let's consider your "facts and data sheet" that you guys linked: who the heck calls 911 because a pug nipped and scratched their ankle? It's like saying "the guns that take most kids' vision is the red rider BB gun" ...well, sure- no one's shooting their eye out with a super soaker and if they did they dang sure aren't reporting it.
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I was in the same place before deciding on a boxer. It still amazes me how many people still ask why I got a pit bull though.
that is a beautiful dog!
I think you answered your own question.
You're right.
No one gives a **** if a pocket pup bites,
b/c a pocket pup won't send you to the ER, with your scalp missing.
That (IS) the point, made about ownership of these specific breeds
and the necessity of understanding the risk involved.
Can you visualize 25 children? What would you say if a dog killed a classroom full of kids at once one day? Would you view the carnage in a different light?
Yeah... The stats seem insignificant and small when it does not affect you directly.
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But just because my dog is capable of inflicting bodily harm doesn't mean that I shouldn't be allowed to own it. If you don't like it, dont buy one. If I fail to secure my dog and he bites someone, I should be held liable legally... which is the heart of the matter. No one wants to prosecute these clowns, and they absolutely should be.
If someone breaks into my home or trespasses onto my property, my sheperd is capable of killing them no different than my gun is. If I use lethal force because he walked onto my yard, there should absolutely be legal consequences. The answer needs to be "Yes, you can own these. If it hurts or kills someone, you'll be tried with battery/awdw/etc. Now, if you like- go buy one. It pisses me off when people get bit by their own dogs, rationalize it because they are cowards, then act surprised when the dog kills their toddler. Should be tried with manslaughter imo.
VG- GS3 at 550th MWD facility, before my transfer to 43rd LRS at pope
molon- peanut butter killed 83 children last year, says the CDC website.
can you imagine an entire pre-school being killed by something thats sold with absolutely no legislative protection? I'll bet you have this weapon of mass destruction unlocked in your cabinet at home. For shame.
If someone breaks into my home or trespasses onto my property, my sheperd is capable of killing them no different than my gun is. If I use lethal force because he walked onto my yard, there should absolutely be legal consequences. The answer needs to be "Yes, you can own these. If it hurts or kills someone, you'll be tried with battery/awdw/etc. Now, if you like- go buy one. It pisses me off when people get bit by their own dogs, rationalize it because they are cowards, then act surprised when the dog kills their toddler. Should be tried with manslaughter imo.
VG- GS3 at 550th MWD facility, before my transfer to 43rd LRS at pope
molon- peanut butter killed 83 children last year, says the CDC website.
can you imagine an entire pre-school being killed by something thats sold with absolutely no legislative protection? I'll bet you have this weapon of mass destruction unlocked in your cabinet at home. For shame.
So sad reading about the loss of a child or loved one. I had a pit bull when I was 10yrs old. She was a strong dog and I would play with and wrestle her in the backyard. She never once bit or hurt me. We never trained her to attack and she was loved on and never beaten. However, she would not let a stranger in the backyard where she was fenced in. The meter readers would have to get my parents or myself to go chain her up. I used to think about owning another pit, but have decided they are too much of a liability. Once I married my petite wife and most decidedly after becoming a father I will never own another medium to large bodied aggressive breed dog or any other animal that could overpower a small human.
There are a lot of other issues related to the Houma Dog Owners behavior as well. Keeping large unfixed animals of mixed sex in small apartments without adequate exercise is a problem. When you add in poor behavior correction and quite possibly steroids you have a time bomb. The problem with Pits, Staffys, insert bulldog euphemism here isn't the animals its the people inclined to own said animals. I have had a few pitbulls. I had a large one around my infant son without reservation. I also don't wear affliciton shirts, chain animals in my back yard, disregard animal behavior, or feel the need to impress people with how big my dogs head and neck is. I wonder if there is a correlation.....
SpeedRacer
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25 people total, not 25 children.
For some perspective, bees kill around 50 people per year.
And to steal what someone said earlier, replace "dog" with "AR15" in your statement and you just described Sandy Hook and made a great argument for gun control.
The stats seem insignificant when it doesn't affect you directly, just like people want to restrict and tell other people what to do when it doesn't affect them directly.
I didn't say that and that wasn't the point of their statistics.
I was just pointing that out.
VG nailed it with a railroad spike.
if you aren't exercising yourself daily, you won't exercise your dog daily. failure to do so is negligent and begging for issues.
caesar milan voice: "oh he destroyed your couch, chased your cat, and bit your husband? whens the last time he went for a walk?" .... "what do you mean you don't own a leash?"
if you aren't exercising yourself daily, you won't exercise your dog daily. failure to do so is negligent and begging for issues.
caesar milan voice: "oh he destroyed your couch, chased your cat, and bit your husband? whens the last time he went for a walk?" .... "what do you mean you don't own a leash?"
A dog is an animal. If you willfully disregard that and assign Human Emotions, Behaviors, and Morals to an animal not capable of having any of them you are the problem not your dog. I don't understand why this is so hard for people to fathom. If your dog is a psychopath or exhibits warning sign behaviors and you don't either address the behaviors and correct them or get rid of the animal anything that animal does is your fault. Blaming the breed is the same as suing Glock because your child found your pistol and shot them self.
last sentence is signature worthy. bravo.
This ^
I have to agree that it was irresponsible parenting / animal ownership that unfortunately cost that precious little girl her life.
Truly unfortunate.
whats different is that its a living being and thus "we arent responsible for its actions". Need to prosecute these terrible owners, then let the decision be "be a good proactive owner... or maybe get charged with a felony."
It's hard for me to see the sense in allowing any large animal around a small child, carte blanche. Lots can and sometimes do happen.
No matter how much you care for your pet- never lose sight of the fact that it's a dog, not a human.
No matter how much you care for your pet- never lose sight of the fact that it's a dog, not a human.
