bjj as an officer?

[blackwater26504]

i don't know how to make that link work but, check it out. it's Gracie Jiu-Jitsu for cops! any local guys train around me????


http://youtu.be/HncwGDTNsxo

 

[blackwater26504]

title looks...

yea i just realized how that title looks. Brazilian jiu-jitsu anyone besides me into on here?

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

BJJ has capricious flaws for cops.

 

[Knave]

Explain the capricious flaws please.

What alternative do you suggest?

 

[JBP55]

Explain the capricious flaws please.

What alternative do you suggest?

Number 1 you want to stay on your feet and not go to the ground if at all possible.

 

[Knave]

Strawman argument.

Grappling arts teach a toolset. The strategy you form with that toolset would be mission specific.

 

[returningliberty]

Army combative a are based heavily in GJJ, except there are some techniques you prolly shouldn't be using on the street. As an LEO I'd be very hesitant to employ any of then, much less start rolling around on the ground where he can get to my equipment. Not a good idea IMO. We have other tools for that in most circumstances.

That all being said, it's a Hell of a workout!

 

[Bayoupiper]

LEOs need to restrain a subject with as little physical damage as possible.

That is where the problem with BJJ is.

Now Hapkido on the other hand has many techniques that work well for LEOs.




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[Vanilla Gorilla]

I agree BJJ is a valuable tool. I get that. I have seen time and time again though that skilled JJ guys get Drilled Down into a JJ fight instead of escaping, standing, up and transitionin to tools. JJ also fairs poorly against multiple opponents. Asphalt and Concrete are far less conducive to Fighting From Your Back than mats.

 

[AustinBR]

I was certified to teach Brazilian JuiJitsu a few years back and most of it is really not practical for restraining someone or for use in a "fight". That being said, I would rather be skilled at BJJ than not if I ever had to fight someone. As for a style of JJ that would be good for officers... Weeping style or Hon Mu Do would be much more practical as they keep people an arms length or more from you at all times and keep you in control.

 

[blackwater26504]

Number 1 you want to stay on your feet and not go to the ground if at all possible.

hey sh!t happens you can't always say "I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that."

I'm about 6'1'' and 250 been wrestling for a while and got tripped up. Bam I'm on my butt with some ahole in my face. I rolled around on the ground for about 10 mins until someone came and help me. The only thing i know was protect my gun side. Destroyed the holster and pain for about 2 days in my ribs from this incident. Next day i went to Temple on Magazine. Said hi to Gus, then took my first class at Nolabjj. never wanted to look back since.

Now i wish i had enough money to check out Myron gym in harahan. Tactical BJJ nuff said lol.

 

[blackwater26504]

Army combative a are based heavily in GJJ, except there are some techniques you prolly shouldn't be using on the street. As an LEO I'd be very hesitant to employ any of then, much less start rolling around on the ground where he can get to my equipment. Not a good idea IMO. We have other tools for that in most circumstances.

That all being said, it's a Hell of a workout!

never like that mcap stuff it shows troops too little and not enough. took the basic course and it's pretty much everything you learn as a white in BJJ.

 

[JBP55]

hey sh!t happens you can't always say "I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that."

I'm about 6'1'' and 250 been wrestling for a while and got tripped up. Bam I'm on my butt with some ahole in my face. I rolled around on the ground for about 10 mins until someone came and help me. The only thing i know was protect my gun side. Destroyed the holster and pain for about 2 days in my ribs from this incident. Next day i went to Temple on Magazine. Said hi to Gus, then took my first class at Nolabjj. never wanted to look back since.

Now i wish i had enough money to check out Myron gym in harahan. Tactical BJJ nuff said lol.

As a former LEO and someone that grappled I am well aware of what you are saying and I agree with Bayoupiper post 8 and AustinBR post 10 relative to styles and techniques.

 

[blackwater26504]

As a former LEO and someone that grappled I am well aware of what you are saying and I agree with Bayoupiper post 8 and AustinBR post 10 relative to styles and techniques.

yea it's one of those things. it's better to have it than not need. i wish i did know a few simple sweeps and a neck crank.

 

[JBP55]

Strawman argument.
Grappling arts teach a toolset. The strategy you form with that toolset would be mission specific.

Does BJJ cover these things that are approved by many LEA's?

Teach officers about the objectively reasonable use of force, the effects and mitigation of survival stress and the principles of defensive tactics.
Teach officers the proper application of pressure points for the purpose of subject control and compliance.
Teach officers the proper method and procedure for applying escort and transport techniques as well as escort and transport takedowns.
Teach officers how to properly deploy, apply and remove handcuffs from various tactical positions.
Teach officers to properly utilize strikes and counterstrikes for the purpose of self-defense and subject control.
Teach officers holstered handgun retention techniques while standing.
Teach officers holstered handgun retention techniques when the struggle is on the ground.
Teach officers drawn handgun retention techniques while standing.
Teach officers drawn handgun retention techniques when the struggle is on the ground.
Teach officers long gun disarming techniques.
Teach officers long gun retention techniques.
Teach officers handgun disarming techniques.
Teach officers how to properly deploy, apply and retain an impact weapon.
Instill self-confidence in the officer's ability to defend him/herself against an attack.

 

[Manimal]

That video is a pretty **** poor version of reality. It was missing almost *everything* that real life entails. Strikes, concrete, dirt, structures, biting, attempts at weapons and tools...actual aggressive and violent acts on both parts...

Yes, it's more difficult to train like that but you can at least fake it and simulate things like a bad guy biting, or strikes...etc. Neither the "bad guy" nor the cops were acting realistically, so it's deceptive. This is a sales video.

IMO, as a non-LEO, being trained in multiple disciplines for the dynamic scenarios that real life brings is great but it's important to train realistically for realistic things.

 

[blackwater26504]

That video is a pretty **** poor version of reality. It was missing almost *everything* that real life entails. Strikes, concrete, dirt, structures, biting, attempts at weapons and tools...actual aggressive and violent acts on both parts...

Yes, it's more difficult to train like that but you can at least fake it and simulate things like a bad guy biting, or strikes...etc. Neither the "bad guy" nor the cops were acting realistically, so it's deceptive. This is a sales video.

IMO, as a non-LEO, being trained in multiple disciplines for the dynamic scenarios that real life brings is great but it's important to train realistically for realistic things.

oh yea this was a crappy video by far. even as a set example it was crappy. most partners have these situations some what talk out. I high you low that sort of thing.

 

[AustinBR]

I see where you are going, but I will say yes to a few things below (bolded). BJJ will cover some good useful things that everyone should know. Sure, it is not an end all thing. I am not a police officer and am not too familiar with all of the training, but from what I understand you don't just learn one style of anything. Tons of good ideas from different backgrounds are brought together in order to produce a well rounded officer. Certainly saying that BJJ alone would give anything is not a good idea, but having one more skill in your arsenal never hurts.

Does BJJ cover these things that are approved by many LEA's?

Teach officers about the objectively reasonable use of force, the effects and mitigation of survival stress and the principles of defensive tactics.
Teach officers the proper application of pressure points for the purpose of subject control and compliance.
Teach officers the proper method and procedure for applying escort and transport techniques as well as escort and transport takedowns.
Teach officers how to properly deploy, apply and remove handcuffs from various tactical positions.
Teach officers to properly utilize strikes and counterstrikes for the purpose of self-defense and subject control.
Teach officers holstered handgun retention techniques while standing.
Teach officers holstered handgun retention techniques when the struggle is on the ground.
Teach officers drawn handgun retention techniques while standing.
Teach officers drawn handgun retention techniques when the struggle is on the ground.
Teach officers long gun disarming techniques.
Teach officers long gun retention techniques.
Teach officers handgun disarming techniques. When I taught BJJ we taught long and shortgun disarming techniques from standing and ground, as well as knives.
Teach officers how to properly deploy, apply and retain an impact weapon.
Instill self-confidence in the officer's ability to defend him/herself against an attack.

What I bolded above were taught in many of the BJJ classes and seminars that I attended. Are they actually "pure BJJ," no, but they are useful. I don't think that they teach officers boxing (please correct me if I am wrong), as they don't want them pounding on people, but they do teach them how to throw good punches, where to hit, and counters and counterstrikes, right?

Austin

 

[blackwater26504]

bjj wasn't made for sport it was made for self defense. i wish my old buddy rusty was around here. he could go on and on about this subject more than i could.

 

[returningliberty]

never like that mcap stuff it shows troops too little and not enough. took the basic course and it's pretty much everything you learn as a white in BJJ.

In Basic you get a 10 hour or so course. That's BASIC training. There're more training courses.