bjj as an officer?

[blackwater26504]

In Basic you get a 10 hour or so course. That's BASIC training. There're more training courses.

i went to old skool basic in 2001 couldn't tell you what that was lol. i have no idea what they get now. i did a mcap course at polk for kicks.

that marines macpat stuff is legit.

 

[Knave]

Does BJJ cover these things that are approved by many LEA's?

Teach officers about the objectively reasonable use of force, the effects and mitigation of survival stress and the principles of defensive tactics.
Teach officers the proper application of pressure points for the purpose of subject control and compliance.
Teach officers the proper method and procedure for applying escort and transport techniques as well as escort and transport takedowns.
Teach officers how to properly deploy, apply and remove handcuffs from various tactical positions.
Teach officers to properly utilize strikes and counterstrikes for the purpose of self-defense and subject control.
Teach officers holstered handgun retention techniques while standing.
Teach officers holstered handgun retention techniques when the struggle is on the ground.
Teach officers drawn handgun retention techniques while standing.
Teach officers drawn handgun retention techniques when the struggle is on the ground.
Teach officers long gun disarming techniques.
Teach officers long gun retention techniques.
Teach officers handgun disarming techniques.
Teach officers how to properly deploy, apply and retain an impact weapon.
Instill self-confidence in the officer's ability to defend him/herself against an attack.

Most of these are outside the scope of BJJ, though several defensive tactics curriculum incorporate methods from grappling arts into police specific skills with great success.

Grappling arts on a basic level teach learners how to take down, control, and restrain an opponent, and how to effectively defend against an opponent's attempts to do the same. BJJ's main differentiation from other grappling arts is its highly developed methods of effective offensive and defensive actions from guard positions.

Ultimately I'd say a good 99% of officers against a competitive, skilled grappler of equal strength and size would be killed in a lethal force encounter, necessitating a minimum level of ground survival skills IMO. BJJ is not the only art to offer those skills, but since it's main differentiation comes from the principle of surviving from a bad position it tends to be the most popular for gaining that specific skillset.

I agree BJJ is a valuable tool. I get that. I have seen time and time again though that skilled JJ guys get Drilled Down into a JJ fight instead of escaping, standing, up and transitionin to tools. JJ also fairs poorly against multiple opponents. Asphalt and Concrete are far less conducive to Fighting From Your Back than mats.

I get all that and generally agree, but those problems are user errors IMO. The art itself, I think the main argument that could be put against it would be that so much of its total game and application (and thus training time spent) is way outside what is usable for law enforcement. But that's any martial art really, and in practice I think an officer would benefit from building skills in effective arts and being able to apply those skills to police specific defensive tactics, moreso anyway than half-assing police specific defensive tactics once a year at inservice and having no actual fighting skills outside of that.

 

[Jack]

Ultimately I'd say a good 99% of officers against a competitive, skilled grappler of equal strength and size would be killed in a lethal force encounter

 

[Knave]

Get together 10 officers that don't know how to grapple and I can prove it to you.

 

[Bayoupiper]

If BJJ was the as great as some of you make it out to be, it would have replaced all other martial arts.

But even with BJJ being taught, there are still over 300 martial arts styles out there.


I spent the last ten years of my LEO career as a Defensive Tactics instructor.

I also teach Hapkido.

There is no single, greatest, better than the rest martial art out there.

But there are some that are better suited to LEO than BJJ.

Most defensive tactics systems, although they won't admit it, base many of their techniques off Aikido/Hapkido.
Some even use a little judo.

A police officer has to be able to control a subject and place him in a position to be handcuffed.
(Don't get me started on some of the really stupid handcuffing techniques out there!)

He has to apply that control with as little physical damage as possible.
That idea in itself is a bit of a fallacy, but it is what administrations are sold on.

Now, the amount of time departments and agencies devote to defensive tactics training is woefully inadequate.
And that is why many of the current defensive tactics systems are being taught and utilized.

And this is also why good martial arts techniques and systems aren't taught by police departments because they require too much time for the officers to get competent.





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[blackwater26504]

it's better to know a bit of ever thing. these jack wagons watch the same UFC fights i do. you'll never know when you encounter some dbag and he's got your back.

 

[blackwater26504]

Get together 10 officers that don't know how to grapple and I can prove it to you.

hmmmm.... i would like to see this. i'm in if we could 9 others?

 

[Bayoupiper]

it's better to know a bit of ever thing. these jack wagons watch the same UFC fights i do. you'll never know when you encounter some dbag and he's got your back.

Every drunk in every bar around LSU thinks they are a MMA superstar.





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[pntbllr228]

Every drunk in every bar around LSU thinks they are a MMA superstar.




My favorite is when people start yelling "I'm a mma fighter mother****er!!" , dead giveaway. Never lost a fight to someone that said that.

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[Bayoupiper]

Every drunk in every bar around LSU thinks they are a MMA superstar.




My favorite is when people start yelling "I'm a mma fighter mother****er!!" , dead giveaway. Never lost a fight to someone that said that.

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Or, like in this very thread, "I'm a BJJ fighter!!!".........





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[AustinBR]

If BJJ was the as great as some of you make it out to be, it would have replaced all other martial arts.

But even with BJJ being taught, there are still over 300 martial arts styles out there.


I spent the last ten years of my LEO career as a Defensive Tactics instructor.

I also teach Hapkido.

There is no single, greatest, better than the rest martial art out there.

But there are some that are better suited to LEO than BJJ.

Most defensive tactics systems, although they won't admit it, base many of their techniques off Aikido/Hapkido.
Some even use a little judo.

A police officer has to be able to control a subject and place him in a position to be handcuffed.
(Don't get me started on some of the really stupid handcuffing techniques out there!)

He has to apply that control with as little physical damage as possible.
That idea in itself is a bit of a fallacy, but it is what administrations are sold on.

Now, the amount of time departments and agencies devote to defensive tactics training is woefully inadequate.
And that is why many of the current defensive tactics systems are being taught and utilized.

And this is also why good martial arts techniques and systems aren't taught by police departments because they require too much time for the officers to get competent.





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Where do you teach Hapkido at?

 

[blackwater26504]

Every drunk in every bar around LSU thinks they are a MMA superstar.




My favorite is when people start yelling "I'm a mma fighter mother****er!!" , dead giveaway. Never lost a fight to someone that said that.



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no it's "I TRAIN UFC BRO!" or my fav "COME AT ME BRO! I WANNA BANG!" yes i heard with my own two ears.

 

[returningliberty]

no it's "I TRAIN UFC BRO!" or my fav "COME AT ME BRO! I WANNA BANG!" yes i heard with my own two ears.

 

[blackwater26504]

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hey i didn't say it work one at detail at a frat bar. that's all you'll hear lol. i got out of it

...and a lot of drunk girls screaming heeyyyyyyy every damn time they see someone they know.

 

[Bayoupiper]

no it's "I TRAIN UFC BRO!" or my fav "COME AT ME BRO! I WANNA BANG!" yes i heard with my own two ears.

Or was it something about taking on ten cops?



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[JR1572]

Get together 10 officers that don't know how to grapple and I can prove it to you.

Best post on Bayoushooter ever.

JR1572

 

[mcinfantry]

Best post on Bayoushooter ever.

JR1572

god damned right

 

[Bayoupiper]

god damned right

Bruh!




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[Vanilla Gorilla]

In your JuJitsu gym how many times do you get punched in the face or hit with hard things while working from the guard?

 

[jmcrawf1]

Get together 10 officers that don't know how to grapple and I can prove it to you.

Lol!!!!