Do signs have the force of law?

[Deerslayer440]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Ask any judge. And it seems there are many ignorant people carrying firearms.

woeeeeee woooooeeeee ,settle down peter piper.

They just asked for you to show us the actual ,so called law,your referring too.I have
never seen any law,
state or federal that would hold true to what your saying..

Just show us the actual law,thats all they asking for,no reason to go name calling and acting
crazy.We just common ol folk here

 

[leadslinger972]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Ask any judge. And it seems there are many ignorant people carrying firearms.

It seems you can't provide the Louisiana statute either. Don't be ignorant.

 

[AustinBR]

Wrong. Those having a permit must have forgot their training. You would be charged with carrying in a prohibited place. It is very specific and should be honored. You can wine about it like a snowflake but the laws are the law and you should honor it and keep yourself informed. You might also be charged with trsspassing.

Can you supply the law that supports your opinion? Also, where did you go to get your permit that informed you of what you are stating?

Edit to add: Before telling people they are "whining about laws like a snowflake" and that they "should honor [the law] and keep [themselves] informed," I would urge you to read the actual law instead of solely relying upon the word and/or opinion of one singular person teaching a class.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Ask any judge. And it seems there are many ignorant people carrying firearms.

Speak for yourself, buddy. You can't just sit here and call us snowflakes and then not produce something factual to back up your statement.

Please show us the law.

 

[Blue Diamond]

It seems you can't provide the Louisiana statute either. Don't be ignorant.

Its been posted here numerous times for those that are able to read. Go back and reread ; if possible.

 

[leadslinger972]

Its been posted here numerous times for those that are able to read. Go back and reread ; if possible.

So you don't know the law. Got it.

Carry on, snowflake.

 

[bigtattoo79]

Wrong. Those having a permit must have forgot their training. You would be charged with carrying in a prohibited place. It is very specific and should be honored. You can wine about it like a snowflake but the laws are the law and you should honor it and keep yourself informed. You might also be charged with trsspassing.

Can you please point me to the law. My understanding is in Louisiana the no guns sign does not have a statute.

 

[AustinBR]

Its been posted here numerous times for those that are able to read. Go back and reread ; if possible.

It has not...mostly because the law you are referring to does not exist in the state of Louisiana.

 

[Blue Diamond]

Can you please point me to the law. My understanding is in Louisiana the no guns sign does not have a statute.

The law is RS 40:1379.3 Section O and those that have a permit " The La. Concealed Handgun Permit Book" Laws and Rules Section N and O. Have someone read it to you.

 

[AustinBR]

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Just a FYI. I'd like the copy of the law by end of day, today, central standard time. Thanks.

 

[AustinBR]

The law is RS 40:1379.3 Section O and those that have a permit " The La. Concealed Handgun Permit Book" Laws and Rules Section N and O. Have someone read it to you.

I'll quote that to save people trouble:

O. The provisions of Subsection N of this Section shall not limit the right of a property owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section. No individual to whom a concealed handgun permit is issued may carry such concealed handgun into the private residence of another without first receiving the consent of that person.

Where does that state that it is ILLEGAL to ignore those signs or NOT get consent?

 

[leadslinger972]

The law is RS 40:1379.3 Section O and those that have a permit " The La. Concealed Handgun Permit Book" Laws and Rules Section N and O. Have someone read it to you.

Here is the booklet if anyone wants to read through it.

http://www.lsp.org/pdf/chRuleBook.pdf

I'll wait for the old fart snowflake to respond.

 

[AustinBR]

The law is RS 40:1379.3 Section O and those that have a permit " The La. Concealed Handgun Permit Book" Laws and Rules Section N and O. Have someone read it to you.

Also, just a heads up: Only laws that are state statutes are laws. A handbook, brochure, web-page, or speech by an instructor or even the state police are all about as meaningful as a coloring book, from a legal perspective.

Section O that you are quoting just says that the statute doesn't prohibit a person from prohibiting people based on having a weapon. If a business owner, landowner, or homeowner does prohibit someone from being in or on their property for ANY reason, the legal penalty for violating their wishes is trespassing (and/or remaining after forbidden). It is illegal to trespass (being on land without permission). Legally, if you went into a store and the owner told you that you needed to leave for having a weapon on you, and you didn't, the law would say that you are "remaining after forbidden." That is against the LAW. If you came back, you'd then be trespassing AND remaining after forbidden.

With that being said, NO Louisiana law says that ignoring the signs are against the law.

If a store has a sign that says you cannot enter if you are wearing a bright pink shirt, that is within their legal right. If you ignore it, you are within your legal right. No crime is committed.

The owner (or designee of the owner) would have to tell you to leave (because they don't like your shirt). If you choose not to leave, you are breaking the law. If you leave, no crime was committed. The exact same applies for prohibiting weapons. A store owner may put up a sign, but you do not have to legally follow the sign. You might not even see the sign. That is how Louisiana law works. Texas is different.

Does that make sense?

Stop calling people names when you are the one that is in the wrong here. I won't hit you with a warning for breaking forum rules, which you did because I think that you actually believed what you were stating to be true. I urge you to take some time and ponder what has been provided - ie, the actual Louisiana law. Please don't spew your ignorance to others as it is only detrimental to the shooting community that we strive to constantly make better.

 

[bigtattoo79]

The law is RS 40:1379.3 Section O and those that have a permit " The La. Concealed Handgun Permit Book" Laws and Rules Section N and O. Have someone read it to you.

O. The provisions of Subsection N of this Section shall not limit the right of a property owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section. No individual to whom a concealed handgun permit is issued may carry such concealed handgun into the private residence of another without first receiving the consent of that person.

I don’t see anything about a sign on a business talked about.

 

[Blue Diamond]

I'll quote that to save people trouble:

O. The provisions of Subsection N of this Section shall not limit the right of a property owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section. No individual to whom a concealed handgun permit is issued may carry such concealed handgun into the private residence of another without first receiving the consent of that person.

Where does that state that it is ILLEGAL to ignore those signs or NOT get consent?

It seems Austin that your trying to give legal advice. Are you the lawyer this time? I've presented you the law and Statute #

 

[leadslinger972]

It seems, Austin, that you're trying to give legal advice. Are you the lawyer this time? I've presented you the law and Statute #

That statute does not dictate anything about signage in regards to prohibiting firearms.

Try again, old timer.

 

[AustinBR]

It seems Austin that your trying to give legal advice. Are you the lawyer this time? I've presented you the law and Statute #

Read my next post (#32 in this thread). The statute you posted has NOTHING to do with signs. It doesn't even use the word sign anywhere in the law. It talks about people and their rights.

 

[Deerslayer440]

No,,it says that if a biz owner wants to not have anyone with a firearm on his property,he can
justifiably ask so or post a sign.

It does not mean in any way,that any laws will be broken if a person does carry on that property.
It just means the biz owner can ask them not to,and also may ask them to leave or put firearm in
vehicle.

As austin is stating,it doesn't say anywhere that a permit holder has to adhere to signs at biz's that ask others to not carry a firearm on their property.Laws are very clear cut most of the time.If it doesn't state that they have to adhere in any booklet ,law,etc,then they don't!!!

Everyone is just saying ,,ol blue,that if someone did carry on a prohibited biz,no Federal or state
laws will be broken.

 

[MOTOR51]

It seems Austin that your trying to give legal advice. Are you the lawyer this time? I've presented you the law and Statute #

You are very wrong sir. The business owner/worker will tell you to leave their premises. If you fail to comply with that and LE shows up then you can be charged with failing to leave premises/trespassing. It’s funny when people get all worked up and call people names when they are the ones that are wrong. I’m concerned about your inability to comprehend what you read and the apparent lack of knowledge of your CHP instructor. It might be in all of our best interest to ask you to seek another class before you continue to carry concealed.


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[AustinBR]

You are very wrong sir. The business owner/worker will tell you to leave their premises. If you fail to comply with that and LE shows up then you can be charged with failing to leave premises/trespassing. It’s funny when people get all worked up and call people names when they are the ones that are wrong. I’m concerned about your inability to comprehend what you read and the apparent lack of knowledge of your CHP instructor. It might be in all of our best interest to ask you to seek another class before you continue to carry concealed.

I second the above statement.

Blue Diamond, where and who conducted your most recent class? I would like to reach out to him or her. Do you have any objection?

 

[bigtattoo79]

I second the above statement.

Blue Diamond, where and who conducted your most recent class? I would like to reach out to him or her. Do you have any objection?

Really think he will tell you?