E Forms, gone for good?
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FWIW, From the rumor mill:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...e-cease-desist-batch-nfa-paperwork-uploading/
Seems that there could be some truth to it, as this was published prior to the Eforms site being shut down and appears to predict such.
A few days ago we reported on the assertion by the ATF and a couple of FFL holders that one of the reasons the ATF’s new NFA paperwork processing system is almost completely unusable at times is that Austin’s Silencer Shop is killing it by automating the uploading all of their paperwork in a very short time frame. The Silencer Shop disagreed, saying that they have timed their activities to have the least impact possible on the rickety system and actually free up resources for other FFL/SOTs to do their business. The ATF, however, still seems dead-set on putting the kibosh on batch processing, and is about to break out the rulers and start smacking some wrists . . .
According to our sources, the ATF is in the process of drafting a *cease and desist* letter to all users of the eForms system demanding that they immediately stop any batch uploading procedures. The reported punishment for anyone using such a process would be an immediate revocation of their ability to use the system. That would mean the Silencer Shop’s practice of offering their batch uploading services to other shops might not only get the Silencer Shop booted from the eForms filing system but any participating shops as well.
The news isn’t all doom and gloom, though. The ATF has reportedly secured new funding to scrap their (brand new, very expensive) eForms system and replace it with another brand new one that actually might work. They’re reportedly reaching out to people in the industry for help this time, so hopes are high that a new, re-designed system might actually work and shave time off of form processing.
That’s the scuttlebutt from our reliable sources, anyway. Whether or not any of this comes true is a completely different story. This is the ATF we’re talking about, which isn’t exactly the most transparent agency of the U.S. Government.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...e-cease-desist-batch-nfa-paperwork-uploading/
Seems that there could be some truth to it, as this was published prior to the Eforms site being shut down and appears to predict such.
A few days ago we reported on the assertion by the ATF and a couple of FFL holders that one of the reasons the ATF’s new NFA paperwork processing system is almost completely unusable at times is that Austin’s Silencer Shop is killing it by automating the uploading all of their paperwork in a very short time frame. The Silencer Shop disagreed, saying that they have timed their activities to have the least impact possible on the rickety system and actually free up resources for other FFL/SOTs to do their business. The ATF, however, still seems dead-set on putting the kibosh on batch processing, and is about to break out the rulers and start smacking some wrists . . .
According to our sources, the ATF is in the process of drafting a *cease and desist* letter to all users of the eForms system demanding that they immediately stop any batch uploading procedures. The reported punishment for anyone using such a process would be an immediate revocation of their ability to use the system. That would mean the Silencer Shop’s practice of offering their batch uploading services to other shops might not only get the Silencer Shop booted from the eForms filing system but any participating shops as well.
The news isn’t all doom and gloom, though. The ATF has reportedly secured new funding to scrap their (brand new, very expensive) eForms system and replace it with another brand new one that actually might work. They’re reportedly reaching out to people in the industry for help this time, so hopes are high that a new, re-designed system might actually work and shave time off of form processing.
That’s the scuttlebutt from our reliable sources, anyway. Whether or not any of this comes true is a completely different story. This is the ATF we’re talking about, which isn’t exactly the most transparent agency of the U.S. Government.
SpeedRacer
Well-Known Member
They said in their statement that any forms that were efiled prior to the shutdown would proceed as normal. I don't think anything was affected on the back end, they just aren't allowing any new submissions.
eMGunslinger
Weapon Savant
They are in the middle of revamping there system completely right now, running regular 4473's has become terribad as well. It was shut down 1 day and everyone was screaming in the background on the phone as every person got delayed.
My Form 1 was supposed to be approved, well, now. First part of April.
I just called NFA was told any eforms submitted (prior to crash) are hanging in limbo. Until they get the system back up, with no time frame available, nothing is being approved.
The lady told me she can't even get in the system to look at it.
I asked if the system will be repaired and back up, she said "should be"'
So the phone operators know less than we do about the eform system.
SpeedRacer
Well-Known Member
That sucks but isn't hard to believe. I was merely repeating what the BATFE said when they released a statement about taking down eFile. Must have been either wishful thinking or complete bull on their part.
Jim's Firearms
Well-Known Member
I spoke with my E Forms contact from the ATF a couple of days ago and he told me that all forms sent in through that system will be approved through that system. Your dealer will receive email notification of your approval.
Just received this letter:
U.S. Department of Justice
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives
Assistant Director
April 16, 2014
www.atf.gov
Dear Industry Colleague:
As a result of recent changes in state laws concerning certain National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms and
devices and other factors, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has
experienced an exponential increase in NFA applications in recent years and months. For example, in
fiscal year 2005, while ATF processed nearly 41,600 NFA applications, by 2013 that number had
skyrocketed by more than 380 percent to more than 199,900 applications. The increase is significant
because of the volume as well as the short period of time in which applications have spiked.
To expedite processing, in 2013, after more than a year of development, ATF launched its *eForms* to
provide a tool for more efficient filing of ATF firearms forms. When ATF implemented the eForms
system, paper NFA Tax-Paid applications took 9 months to process, while eForms reduced processing
time to within 100 days. After a year of successful implementation, in January 2014, ATF attended the
annual Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show (SHOT Show) to spread the word about eForms and the
system’s efficient processing of applications. Improvements noted in the eForms system include the
following:
• form submission and payment processing time reduced to approximately 5 minutes from 3-4
business days;
• elimination of 8 weeks of data entry processing backlog;
• elimination of an estimated 30 days processing time due to errant data entry.
With these statistics in mind and based on the feedback from industry, the eForms initiative has clearly
addressed a long overdue industry need. As a result, the number of registered users has grown from 673
in 2013 to more than 10,000 today. In fact, the number of eForms submitted has exceeded 50,000, with
the most significant volume seen in Form 3 and Form 4 applications. Since January 2014,
approximately 50 percent of NFA applications have been submitted via eForms. This surge in demand
has created the need to temporarily scale back eForms submissions while the system is enhanced to
handle greater capacity in the future.
To accommodate this substantial increase in application volume, ATF must enhance the eForms
initiative to ensure that we can meet the industry’s needs as the volume of applications continues to
exceed growth expectations. Our goal is to decrease processing times and continue to enhance NFA
availability without impact from significant application spikes or volume increases as seen during the
last few years.
To accomplish this goal, ATF will take aggressive steps immediately regarding eForms and existing
paper application processes. Measures already taken include the following:
• ATF has surged staffing availability to seven days per week to process both eForms and paper
applications. As a result, ATF has already reduced the backlog of applications from more than
80,000 to 73,700, an almost 8 percent reduction in the total backlog since March 20, 2014.
Monthly processing volume has increased from 17,200 to 23,600 per month due to the surge,
representing a 37 percent increase in form processing.
• ATF is immediately hiring 15 additional staff to assist in processing NFA applications. In
addition, another 15 current staff members are cross-training to assist with NFA application
processing.
• Staff from across ATF have been recruited to assist in backlog processing.
• ATF has prioritized Form 3 and Form 4 paper application processing, as appropriate, while we
are bolstering eForms capabilities. This action will ensure that the highest volume of pending
applications is given higher priority and that industry needs are met.
• ATF has engaged world-class private sector companies to assist in enhancing eForms capacity
and functionality to provide industry with the most efficient service possible.
• ATF will limit routine maintenance and processing within the eForms system to one day each
week, which will allow registered industry users to have the full eForms system capacity
available during other days. Each Wednesday, a day selected based on use patterns and with the
input of our customers, ATF will close the system for routine maintenance and processing.
Application processing will continue outside of the system on all weekdays, but ATF will avoid
routine maintenance and processing within the eForms system on other days to ensure that
eForms remains available to our customers.
• This week, eForms will once again be available initially for the processing of Form 6 and Form
6A. As capacity is enhanced over the next several weeks, eForms will then continue to accept
Forms 1, 2, 5, 9, 5300.11 and 10. All users may continue to submit paper forms throughout this
process, and ATF will continue to surge and prioritize to ensure that this enhancement process
does not impede commerce. Ultimately, our largest volume of requests, Form 3 and Form 4, will
return to the new and improved eForms, which we expect to accomplish in the short term.
• ATF will continue to monitor application processing timelines on a weekly basis to ensure that
progress is being made in the reduction of the backlog. At the same time, ATF will enhance the
eForms system in ways that may avoid backlogs in the future, despite the spikes and volume
increases. As additional enhancements or surge steps become apparent, we will adapt our plans
to address those needs.
ATF and industry have benefitted from the eForms and ATF remains fully committed to its success and
to the reduction of the backlog in paper and eForms applications. The steps outlined above reflect
ATF’s commitments, and we will ensure that our industry colleagues remain informed of our progress
and have the opportunity to provide input on eForms enhancements.
We offer our sincere thanks to the eForms user community for your patience and support of the eForms
system as these enhancements are completed.
Sincerely,
Marvin G. Richardson
Deputy Assistant Director
ATF Enforcement Programs and Services
_________________________________________________________
Further, I received the following communication from what I consider a reliable source/dealer, today:
"Just spoke with NFA branch. Submitted forms are still being processed. They may take longer: 5-6 months. No indication as to when the system will be back up for [Form 3 and 4] submissions."
U.S. Department of Justice
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives
Assistant Director
April 16, 2014
www.atf.gov
Dear Industry Colleague:
As a result of recent changes in state laws concerning certain National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms and
devices and other factors, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has
experienced an exponential increase in NFA applications in recent years and months. For example, in
fiscal year 2005, while ATF processed nearly 41,600 NFA applications, by 2013 that number had
skyrocketed by more than 380 percent to more than 199,900 applications. The increase is significant
because of the volume as well as the short period of time in which applications have spiked.
To expedite processing, in 2013, after more than a year of development, ATF launched its *eForms* to
provide a tool for more efficient filing of ATF firearms forms. When ATF implemented the eForms
system, paper NFA Tax-Paid applications took 9 months to process, while eForms reduced processing
time to within 100 days. After a year of successful implementation, in January 2014, ATF attended the
annual Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show (SHOT Show) to spread the word about eForms and the
system’s efficient processing of applications. Improvements noted in the eForms system include the
following:
• form submission and payment processing time reduced to approximately 5 minutes from 3-4
business days;
• elimination of 8 weeks of data entry processing backlog;
• elimination of an estimated 30 days processing time due to errant data entry.
With these statistics in mind and based on the feedback from industry, the eForms initiative has clearly
addressed a long overdue industry need. As a result, the number of registered users has grown from 673
in 2013 to more than 10,000 today. In fact, the number of eForms submitted has exceeded 50,000, with
the most significant volume seen in Form 3 and Form 4 applications. Since January 2014,
approximately 50 percent of NFA applications have been submitted via eForms. This surge in demand
has created the need to temporarily scale back eForms submissions while the system is enhanced to
handle greater capacity in the future.
To accommodate this substantial increase in application volume, ATF must enhance the eForms
initiative to ensure that we can meet the industry’s needs as the volume of applications continues to
exceed growth expectations. Our goal is to decrease processing times and continue to enhance NFA
availability without impact from significant application spikes or volume increases as seen during the
last few years.
To accomplish this goal, ATF will take aggressive steps immediately regarding eForms and existing
paper application processes. Measures already taken include the following:
• ATF has surged staffing availability to seven days per week to process both eForms and paper
applications. As a result, ATF has already reduced the backlog of applications from more than
80,000 to 73,700, an almost 8 percent reduction in the total backlog since March 20, 2014.
Monthly processing volume has increased from 17,200 to 23,600 per month due to the surge,
representing a 37 percent increase in form processing.
• ATF is immediately hiring 15 additional staff to assist in processing NFA applications. In
addition, another 15 current staff members are cross-training to assist with NFA application
processing.
• Staff from across ATF have been recruited to assist in backlog processing.
• ATF has prioritized Form 3 and Form 4 paper application processing, as appropriate, while we
are bolstering eForms capabilities. This action will ensure that the highest volume of pending
applications is given higher priority and that industry needs are met.
• ATF has engaged world-class private sector companies to assist in enhancing eForms capacity
and functionality to provide industry with the most efficient service possible.
• ATF will limit routine maintenance and processing within the eForms system to one day each
week, which will allow registered industry users to have the full eForms system capacity
available during other days. Each Wednesday, a day selected based on use patterns and with the
input of our customers, ATF will close the system for routine maintenance and processing.
Application processing will continue outside of the system on all weekdays, but ATF will avoid
routine maintenance and processing within the eForms system on other days to ensure that
eForms remains available to our customers.
• This week, eForms will once again be available initially for the processing of Form 6 and Form
6A. As capacity is enhanced over the next several weeks, eForms will then continue to accept
Forms 1, 2, 5, 9, 5300.11 and 10. All users may continue to submit paper forms throughout this
process, and ATF will continue to surge and prioritize to ensure that this enhancement process
does not impede commerce. Ultimately, our largest volume of requests, Form 3 and Form 4, will
return to the new and improved eForms, which we expect to accomplish in the short term.
• ATF will continue to monitor application processing timelines on a weekly basis to ensure that
progress is being made in the reduction of the backlog. At the same time, ATF will enhance the
eForms system in ways that may avoid backlogs in the future, despite the spikes and volume
increases. As additional enhancements or surge steps become apparent, we will adapt our plans
to address those needs.
ATF and industry have benefitted from the eForms and ATF remains fully committed to its success and
to the reduction of the backlog in paper and eForms applications. The steps outlined above reflect
ATF’s commitments, and we will ensure that our industry colleagues remain informed of our progress
and have the opportunity to provide input on eForms enhancements.
We offer our sincere thanks to the eForms user community for your patience and support of the eForms
system as these enhancements are completed.
Sincerely,
Marvin G. Richardson
Deputy Assistant Director
ATF Enforcement Programs and Services
_________________________________________________________
Further, I received the following communication from what I consider a reliable source/dealer, today:
"Just spoke with NFA branch. Submitted forms are still being processed. They may take longer: 5-6 months. No indication as to when the system will be back up for [Form 3 and 4] submissions."
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