LDWF Sting Operation -- Deer, Choupique & Sac-a-lait (with Commentary by MEM)

[TomTerrific]

This is John Folse's brother from what the local older guys tell me.

Thanks, Todd.

I believe it was the Feds that got on his case 20y ago and it involved grosbecs, a migratory bird covered by the federal laws, not fish.

 

[oleheat]

I'm leaving tomorrow to try and catch some this weekend! If all goes well, business will be booming come Sunday!

Good luck! I'll probably be doing the same....It's starting to get right....

 

[Emperor]

Thanks, Todd.

I believe it was the Feds that got on his case 20y ago and it involved grosbecs, a migratory bird covered by the federal laws, not fish.

If, and I mean, only if; it is the same Folse; he his an unrepentent repeat offender. I would not heistate to guess that LDW&F wants to reign him in and pin his ears back, thus the reason for the 5 year long sting.

Some people have certain entitilement attitudes about how the world used to be, and they cannot accept the changes of the current climate. Wildlife is one of those areas, particularly here in Louisiana.

It took the USDF&W decades to tamper down the attitude of slaughtering waterfowl here. They changed the mindset; it has worked to a large degree.

If this guy gets convicted in front of the right judge, the reparations costs are going to hit him hard in the wallet, if he doesn't do a stint in the hoosgow!

 

[Hitman]

What a powerful picture.

It still would not be possible if we follow Yrdawgs suggestion.

As long as you're in the daily bag limit, you can sell what you get.

It might however bring the daily bad limit down? maybe? maybe not?

Which would suck for those who don't go that often.

LDWF Regs are just the nature of the beast.

 

[Renegade]

I think it's important to note that this was not a "5 year long waste of taxpayer money," the investigation did not take off until March 2010.

Wildlife and Fisheries undercover agents first bought two red snapper from Folse in 2007, the department reported in a news release Tuesday.

Adam Einck, department spokesman, said in an interview the investigation did not take off until March 2010, when undercover agents contacted Folse about buying crappie.

Since then, agents bought or sold game fish and wildlife from Folse and saw him conduct similar transactions with others, wildlife officials said.

The alleged violations were committed between March 2010 and January 2012 in St. James, Ascension, Iberville or St. John the Baptist parishes, wildlife officials said.

Source: http://theadvocate.com/news/police/2485049-123/man-accused-of-selling-game

 

[scooterj]

The Folse's have been hunting/poaching on other people's land, claiming it to be their own, for years.

 

[Emperor]

What a powerful picture.

It still would not be possible if we follow Yrdawgs suggestion.

As long as you're in the daily bag limit, you can sell what you get.

It might however bring the daily bad limit down? maybe? maybe not?

Which would suck for those who don't go that often.

LDWF Regs are just the nature of the beast.

There was a time that you COULD sell your recreationally caught fish. And it wasn't that long ago either. However, when you have user groups that want to trump each other; you have disparity. When the CCA wronfully crippled the commercial fishery for those fish, the trade off was no selling of recreational caught species. Little consolation to all the people they put ot of business and the unfair allocation that less than 1% of the state's population has as opposed to those who don't have $40,000 boats or live far removed from the water.

There are not many of those individuals that don't dream for that day again. As long as I am alive I will do my best to never let that happen on my watch!

 

[Hitman]

However, when you have user groups that want to trump each other;

Like I said, it's the age-old battle of knuckle-heads ruining it for those who have common sense.

 

[LongGoneDays]

A 5 year investigation. Das a long time.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

What a powerful picture.

It still would not be possible if we follow Yrdawgs suggestion.

As long as you're in the daily bag limit, you can sell what you get.

It might however bring the daily bad limit down? maybe? maybe not?

Which would suck for those who don't go that often.

LDWF Regs are just the nature of the beast.

If you create a market you will not be able to control it. Too much access to the product demanded by the market.

 

[Renegade]

A 5 year investigation. Das a long time.

I think it's important to note that this was not a "5 year long waste of taxpayer money," the investigation did not take off until March 2010.

Wildlife and Fisheries undercover agents first bought two red snapper from Folse in 2007, the department reported in a news release Tuesday.

Adam Einck, department spokesman, said in an interview the investigation did not take off until March 2010, when undercover agents contacted Folse about buying crappie.

Since then, agents bought or sold game fish and wildlife from Folse and saw him conduct similar transactions with others, wildlife officials said.

The alleged violations were committed between March 2010 and January 2012 in St. James, Ascension, Iberville or St. John the Baptist parishes, wildlife officials said.

Source: http://theadvocate.com/news/police/2485049-123/man-accused-of-selling-game

 

[LongGoneDays]

I think it's important to note that this was not a "5 year long waste of taxpayer money," the investigation did not take off until March 2010.

I'm just saying, even 2 years is a long time. Not worried about the $ if it was well spent. But I look at the same was as when drug arrests are made. You know they was doing it, you saw them, you video taped it, you audio taped it, you watched and watch and watched for months/years and then BAM!

 

[Yrdawg]

That is flawed logic. I have kiiled big deer all over the state. There are deer for the "regular" Joe in Management Areas all across the state. There are Sac-a-lait in (I am pretty sure), every Parish of Louisiana. Wild ducks span across Every Parish.

Only 14 Parishes have Saltwater species. The resources are supposed to belong to ALL citizens of Louisiana; not just the ones that live by them.

Wow, sounds like a socialist DWF in our future. Free enterprise is to set a limit, and do what you will with the limit. I'm guessin that you supposedly being in the seafood business you are seeing this through some what of a green tint.

The resources don't belong to anyone unless they obtain a license and take them in legal manner. That legal manner should include freedom to do what you will with your bought and paid for catch or kill.

Dr Phil warned me about arguing with a right fighter...and the winner is the first one to save their breath, ( or text )

 

[dawg23]

This thread makes me want to fry some sac-a-lait tomorrow....

Think I will.

We fried some last night.

Lest anyone misconstrue my comments -- I have zero use for the tree huggers (Sierra Club, Green Peace, et al), the animal rights activists (like PETA) and MEM.

I do enjoy hunting and fishing. I did co-chair a group of sportsman that worked to restock bass in the Atchafalaya Basin and Lake Verret area after Hurricane Andrew wiped out 95% of the game fish in one "fail swoosh."

I have a lot of respect for, and confidence in, the work that the biologists do at LDWF. Their job is to assess the game & fish populations, and help establish seasons, creel limits & bag limits to protect and maximize the game and fish resources. Some hunters and fishermen hate all regulations and the folks who enforce them. But I think, overall, the regs serve a purpose.

 

[Hitman]

If you create a market you will not be able to control it. Too much access to the product demanded by the market.

Good point.

Lest anyone misconstrue my comments -- I have zero use for the tree huggers (Sierra Club, Green Peace, et al), the animal rights activists (like PETA) and MEM.

I do enjoy hunting and fishing. I did co-chair a group of sportsman that worked to restock bass in the Atchafalaya Basin and Lake Verret area after Hurricane Andrew wiped out 95% of the game fish in one "fail swoosh."

I have a lot of respect for, and confidence in, the work that the biologists do at LDWF. Their job is to assess the game & fish populations, and help establish seasons, creel limits & bag limits to protect and maximize the game and fish resources. Some hunters and fishermen hate all regulations and the folks who enforce them. But I think, overall, the regs serve a purpose.

 

[Emperor]

Wow, sounds like a socialist DWF in our future. Free enterprise is to set a limit, and do what you will with the limit. I'm guessin that you supposedly being in the seafood business you are seeing this through some what of a green tint.

The resources don't belong to anyone unless they obtain a license and take them in legal manner. That legal manner should include freedom to do what you will with your bought and paid for catch or kill.

Dr Phil warned me about arguing with a right fighter...and the winner is the first one to save their breath, ( or text )

This has nothing to do with free enterprise. The natural resources belong to the citizens of the state. So for you to get done what you want you can take one of two steps:

1. You can do what the CCA did and spread a campaing of lies, paint a picture of the end of the world as we know it, and have lawyers, doctors, and other wealthy hobbyists lean on their buddies in the State Legilsature and get a law that goes against all citiznery fariness and equity rammed down ALL of your opponents throats. Or;

2. You can have a Legislator introduce your bill, find a groundswell of support for your idea, get people from all over the state to support you and contact their legislators, and get the law changed legally and through the correct process.

You know that Wildlife and Fisheries only protects the resources at the behest of the Legislature. We are not "Free" to do anything without consequences.

 

[Yrdawg]

This has nothing to do with free enterprise. The natural resources belong to the citizens of the state. So for you to get done what you want you can take one of two steps:

1. You can do what the CCA did and spread a campaing of lies, paint a picture of the end of the world as we know it, and have lawyers, doctors, and other wealthy hobbyists lean on their buddies in the State Legilsature and get a law that goes against all citiznery fariness and equity rammed down ALL of your opponents throats. Or;

2. You can have a Legislator introduce your bill, find a groundswell of support for your idea, get people from all over the state to support you and contact their legislators, and get the law changed legally and through the correct process.

You know that Wildlife and Fisheries only protects the resources at the behest of the Legislature. We are not "Free" to do anything without consequences.

I am doing what I want...not taking on any new projects. There's not enough time left for me to even worry about changing a law, I just think it's flawed.

We get all the " natural resources " we want within a 1/4 mile of home without ever hitting a public road. Ha, matter of fact Samson Energy just had a oil and gas well make in our lease pool. Nature is treating me nice these days.

IF I WERE going to fight for a new law it would be that the game taken by private citizens was no longer under government control. Thats just messed up.

 

[Emperor]

I am doing what I want...not taking on any new projects. There's not enough time left for me to even worry about changing a law, I just think it's flawed.

Welcome to the club, my friend! Welcome to the club!

That is a fight you would have a hard time fighting! I have had my fill with our Legislators f**king things up. There is alot of common sense left on the cutting room floor of that unholy place we know as the Capital when it comes to fishing/hunting laws.

Oh! And, gun laws!

 

[dmiculek]

Thanks, Todd.

I believe it was the Feds that got on his case 20y ago and it involved grosbecs, a migratory bird covered by the federal laws, not fish.

Actually it was a state agent that caught them with Grosbec (over 450) in 1988.
The Fed's got involved after the fact.

 

[oleheat]

Actually it was a state agent that caught them with Grosbec (over 450) in 1988.
The Fed's got involved after the fact.

Over 450???? WOW.