New Law on Pistol Attachments.

[John_]

Final resolution on this AG/DOJ braced pistol debacle will be resolved in the federal courts. But it may take two or five years to resolve it. I can't help but have a gut feeling this "free ATF stamp/120 day amnesty period" is a really trojan horse to accomplish their greater goal. I mean its common knowledge Biden and the Dums want to ban sales of new AR-15 rifles and pistols like right now. Along with about 40 or 50 other high cap rifles named and listed. I posted a link to that House Bill earlier. Ban new sales and manufacture of, and then go after existing owners. Especially when you have an ATF/NFA registry comprised of maybe 20 or 30 million known owners, and where they live. The Dums are not going to stop at banning new weapons and sales in the US. You are kidding yourself if you believe that exclusively.

 

[jessopher]

Again… proposed rule… not law…

It isn't as much of a rule as it is a clarification and expansion on the definition of what a rifle is, the law regarding having barrels on a rifle shorter than 18" then later 16" was established long ago. This final ruling will stand and whatever you want to do with that is up to you. My opinions don't matter, your opinions don't matter, I'm sure we would all abolish the atf and nfa if we could, but the small group of people who's opinions do matter have made their decision.

 

[rc72mhz]

Can these pistols with braces be modified to make them a legal rifle by adding a shoulder stock and longer barrel? I don't have one of these, but it seems possible if this new rule holds up.

 

[thperez1972]

Final resolution on this AG/DOJ braced pistol debacle will be resolved in the federal courts. But it may take two or five years to resolve it. I can't help but have a gut feeling this "free ATF stamp/120 day amnesty period" is a really trojan horse to accomplish their greater goal. I mean its common knowledge Biden and the Dums want to ban sales of new AR-15 rifles and pistols like right now. Along with about 40 or 50 other high cap rifles named and listed. I posted a link to that House Bill earlier. Ban new sales and manufacture of, and then go after existing owners. Especially when you have an ATF/NFA registry comprised of maybe 20 or 30 million known owners, and where they live. The Dums are not going to stop at banning new weapons and sales in the US. You are kidding yourself if you believe that exclusively.

Over the past few years, millions of braces have been sold and, presumably, been installed on weapons. Let's say those are now illegal unless the owner registers it as an SBR. And let's make it really easy and free and not limit the number of weapons that can be registered.

So without any law being repealed, changed, or added, millions of weapons could be added to the nfa registry if the configurations of those weapons do not change. So, yeah, this is a trojan horse. It's certainly not about safety despite the claim. If it were, the gov-ment sure wouldn't have made it easy and free to keep the dangerous pistol with a brace.

 

[John_]

Can these pistols with braces be modified to make them a legal rifle by adding a shoulder stock and longer barrel? I don't have one of these, but it seems possible if this new rule holds up.

Most certainly. Add a 16" barrel or greater, and a butt stock and its now a rifle config going forward.

 

[GunRelated]

So, yeah, this is a trojan horse. It's certainly not about safety despite the claim.

Always has been, always will be.

 

[Magdump]

Dear ATF,

Uh…..?

 

[machinedrummer]

The buffer tube has to taper to a point now. Like an icepick.

 

[jessopher]

Alright so with the buffer tube, we are recommending for those that want to keep their pistol in pistol configuration and not register it as an nfa item to go back to the old style pistol buffer tube without any kind of adjustment points for length of pull like the m4 buffer tube or even the dimples for set screws like the kak tube etc has. We had our lawyer look through everything last Friday when it was released, of course things apply differently when you are an ffl and that is largely what this is designed to go after...ffls, manufacturers, and distributors. The more licenses they can get pulled with the zero tolerance policy while simultaneously pushing "common sense" reforms like universal background checks will possibly make it more difficult for people in certain areas to exercise their 2a rights. Had a customer yesterday who had one of those stubby strike industries tube that requires a special buffer and I was like yeah that should be good to go but was told since it still had divets milled on it was still a no go so that is the policy we will be operating under. Basically going back to the same way things were before the pistol braces became a thing.

 

[lesgeaux]

Thanks ATF. You have now convinced me to go out an buy an AR pistol. I have stayed away from that firearm because I did not really see a want in my life for one. You are a good salesman, now I just have to go get one with that nice spongy buffer tube. BTW does the foam have to be a certain thickness?

 

[paddle007]

I will assume a standard buffer tube with adjustments modified with a piccatinny rail for a rear sling mount will not meet the letter of the "rule"?
It's impossible to mount a stock without removing the short rail.

 

[swampfoxx]

If anyone has a SB Tactical brace they want to get rid of, I will take it for a reasonable price.

 

[thperez1972]

The buffer tube has to taper to a point now. Like an icepick.

See, now you've got what is basically a bayonet. Bayonets go on rifles. So you're back to an sbr.

 

[thperez1972]

Dear ATF,

Uh…..?

Before braces, I saw suggestions that people could put rubber walking stick tips on the back of the buffer tube so the pistol would lean up against the wall without sliding over.

 

[krotsman]

The buffer tube has to taper to a point now. Like an icepick.

See, now you've got what is basically a bayonet. Bayonets go on rifles. So you're back to an sbr.

But the pointy end is only hurting the gun owner, so that's acceptable!

 

[EightySix]

Before braces, I saw suggestions that people could put rubber walking stick tips on the back of the buffer tube so the pistol would lean up against the wall without sliding over.

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sorry, its up the the atf to interpret the rules so,

(iv) Whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations;

 

[John_]

Before braces, I saw suggestions that people could put rubber walking stick tips on the back of the buffer tube so the pistol would lean up against the wall without sliding over.

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I made one from a 4x4 pine wood block I had laying in the garage, a scrap from another project. Hand sawed to rough form, shaped it, bored a hole to press fit onto the buffer tube, a little longer OAL to correct the super short LOP with a standard buffer tube. Painted it flat black. All hand tools in my garage. Works great.

 

[Sapperboomboom]

I made one from a 4x4 pine wood block I had laying in the garage, a scrap from another project. Hand sawed to rough form, shaped it, bored a hole to press fit onto the buffer tube, a little longer OAL to correct the super short LOP with a standard buffer tube. Painted it flat black. All hand tools in my garage. Works great.

Pics?

 

[machinedrummer]

Crocs is rumored to be developing a anti skid tube attachment

 

[John_]

Pics?

Need to make another one. A bit thinner this time. LOP is fine. This one is for the AR-15 pistol buffer tube, no notch cut out for buffer tube slide adjustment square. That's easy to add tho.