Recommendations for Black Rifle

[SGT_Kramer]

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?88857-BNIB-Troy-Defense-Troy-Industries-AR-15. Looks purdy to me.

 

[JWG223]

I am looking to buy one in the near future. Any suggestions in the $1500 - $2000 range? Also, I understand the difference between the gas vs. piston systems, but which is "best". This will be my first rifle - have a few hand guns.
Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

I am a whore for Noveske, but have a lot of friends that like Daniel Defense. Buy the one that has the features and is configured the way you want.

 

[JWG223]

DD M4V7. Spending any more on the rifle will have no positive gain. Spend the rest of the cash on an optic, mags and training.

I have talked with VG about this very subject.

To me, little things like my Switchblock make Noveske worth the money. Why? The switch-block makes the gun a lot quieter. That is to say, it's the difference between ringing my ears, and not, when I shoot suppressed. It is also a LOT cleaner.

Will it put the bullet where it goes, and will the suppressor hide flash/concussive effects on dust/grass/etc. and will it cycle reliably without it? Sure. It sure will. It arguably adds absolutely nothing to the raw "combat effectiveness" of the weapon. Therefore, I gather that VG could care less about it, and others might feel just as he does.

However, to a guy like me, it adds to my range experience. It's "nice". I like it. I do not feel that it TAKES AWAY from the "raw combat effectiveness" of my weapon, either. So, I buy it. Am I a sucker? Heck no. It does what I want it to do, and I like it. I am happy that I spent the money. Does VG envy my rifle? No. He doesn't need or want that item, and it would be an annoyance to him that he could have spent the money elsewhere.

I think that sometimes threads like this are all about "projecting" one's opinions on another person, and have seen time and time again that when someone asks for advice, they are REALLY saying "Please validate my per-conceived notions". I'll man up and admit to doing it a lot! However, I try really hard to listen when people disagree with me. Spoken to VG a few times and learned a lot without ever even meeting the man. Looking forward to learning more, and hoping I don't hate my setup by the time I finish the carbine class. Speaking of that, why not attend a class, OP, and use different gear/figure out what you need vs. what you want?

I totally admit to "buying what I wanted". And it is awesome and I will always enjoy it, but in time it may be the last thing I would reach for it TSHTF, so to speak.

Just my long-winded .02

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

All of the above are great recommendations BUT I would go with this http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2889 and you wont need to do anything to it all, learn to use the iron sights and the rest is lagniappe .

Noveske

I like Noveske stuff but there are some bad values on the carbine pictured. The KAC rail is likely to be out of spec and the integrated flip up sight makes the most valuable rail real estate useless. The KAC sights are also waaaaay over priced.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?88857-BNIB-Troy-Defense-Troy-Industries-AR-15.



This is a great deal. The stock sucks and it has the same issue with the integrated flip-up but its an excellent rifle.

 

[Bosco]

I'd look into Noveske. They have some amazing customer service and their rifles are top notch.

 

[JCcypress]

I don't know where Prairie Bosse is, but if you want the Troy, you can pick one up at Dick's, brand new for under $1,000 +tax, if you apply for their credit card. That would leave you with $900 for optics, ammo & training.

http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/...Defense-5.56-Carbine-now-available&highlight=

Troy's aftermarket products have a proven track record. Their rifle is new on the market.

 

[retreaux]

All that you listed except "cool factor" - that means nothing to me. A good accurate, light, dependable rifle is what I want. Also, anything I shoot gets cleaned after.
Message to Sin-ster.

 

[retreaux]

So many better options than the Sig . Do you plan on adding optics also for that price?

No - I want to get optics in addition to the rifle.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Amen to clean guns! Everyone knows how poorly ARs run dirty!

 

[JWG223]

Amen to clean guns! Everyone knows how poorly ARs run dirty!

What issues have you had with a dirty rifle?

 

[SpeedRacer]

What issues have you had with a dirty rifle?

I think he was being sarcastic.

 

[swamper]

I think he was being sarcastic.

This.

 

[JWG223]

I think he was being sarcastic.

I figured he was as well, but my sarcasm meter is broken when it comes to the internet.

 

[Sin-ster]

All that you listed except "cool factor" - that means nothing to me. A good accurate, light, dependable rifle is what I want. Also, anything I shoot gets cleaned after.
Message to Sin-ster.

I should have stipulated with the Noveske, and as VG has pointed out about a lot of their "bundle deals"-- I'd get the most basic, naked rifle they have and do my OWN piecing together of parts...

But for your stated purposes above, skip Noveske (as nice as they are)-- you'll be JUST as well suited with a Daniel Defense or BCM rifle (the latter of which has a TON of options you can select yourself, from the manufacturer)... and still have coin in your purse afterwards.

 

[Booseman]

I have been holding back since this thread started but I am going to throw my opinion out there. I have a BCM and when I was looking money wasn't really an issue. The reason I decided to go with it is because of their track record and the customization you can do straight from BCM.

I bought my upper and lower separate but they are both BCM. I then bought the additional items that I wanted individually, you know, VFG, BUIS, pistol grip, stock, trigger springs etc. For the upper and lower I think I have about $1100 wrapped up in the actual rifle. Then you add a BCG ($150) and a charging handle ($50) you are up to $1300. Then you start adding all the little add-ons and you are looking at a $1600-$1700 rifle.

Now if you start adding magazines and ammo to that total you are going to be over $2000, easily. So optics is another subject in and of itself. You can easily have well over $2500 tied up in the gun. I love my BCM and it is set-up exactly the way I want it except for one thing that will be taken care of shortly.

 

[retreaux]

Thanks for all the info. I will look into all the suggested rifles.

 

[Tx_oil]

Black and proud.

Fusil Automatique Leger.
The original black rifle.

 

[FishingFool]

Have Rainier arms build you one the way you want it. They have a good selection of components in stock and you get a warranty.