Republican Party?

[Rainsdrops]

Nailed it.

Trump, if you are listening STFU squabbling with other republicans and stay on message.

He can't, Trump likes the confrontation, He hasn't realized, that when you attack the voting minority, they unify, and become the voting majority.
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[Cochise]

The real problem is everyone votes for the least of 2 evils.
Many years ago Democrats were had working poor, lower middle calls, and middle class. And were for the people. And were like The Real Republicans who are Conservatives of today. The thing that is the real death of the GOP is the 3rd party votes. Those who will not vote Trump and vote 3rd party. Remember how many votes Ross Perot pulled from the GOP and put a Dem in office
Democrats now have gotten the the generation of the voters they bought As they are now of age. So next step is Import them..

This is absolute BS. The third party movement is a symptom, not a cause.
The cause of the death of the republican party is the party platform that has been centered on religious extremism. The anti-gay, anti-abortion nonsense that most Americans will never get behind IS what is destroying the republican party.

 

[John_]

Well call it what you want but Trump's latest fiasco has cost him dearly. Latest polls indicate him losing 6 to 10 percent against Hitlery after the Khan deal. They were neck and neck before this. Should have kept his mouth shut on this one but nnnooooo.....

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/poll-clinton-trump-dnc-2016-226507

 

[WOLFIE]

This is absolute BS. The third party movement is a symptom, not a cause.
The cause of the death of the republican party is the party platform that has been centered on religious extremism. The anti-gay, anti-abortion nonsense that most Americans will never get behind IS what is destroying the republican party.

I think you are right. Republicans are wasting time with religious conservative philosophy. A president who believes in and is for the Constitution is the president i want. I think Ted Cruz has a very good chance in 2020. I like Rand Paul. I like Gary Johnson but he won't win...not this time. If the Republican party dies from within, people like Cruz, Paul and Johnson will have a chance. Cruz will have a good chance whether or not the party survives. The Constitution is what makes America great. The electorial college should be abolished. For the people by the people. Not: for the states.

 

[JeeperCreeper]

+1 for Rand Paul. Really wish they gave him more speaking time in the debates. I believe he was the smartest politician of all the candidates. But, he wasn't popular enough to win the contest.

 

[JustinB]

270towin.com

You can click on the electoral map and they usually have up to date polling. All the polls that abc and cbs show that have HC up over sampled democrats by up to +5.

Trump is doing better than they would have you believe. But the media is relentless and will do the heavy lifting for HC since she is weak.

Out west Colorado and Nevada are in play for the first time since 04. Along the rust belt PA for the first time since 88 and maybe Wisconsin though that one is less likely.

Trump just needs to carry all the states Romney won in 12 along with PA, VA, and OH and he has it locked up. Virginia is in play and they passed voter ID laws since 12 so they can't bus in people from DC like they did last time so I suspect he will win that as Kane didn't provide a bounce in his home state.

Hillary wins this only by voter fraud.

 

[John_]

I think you are right. Republicans are wasting time with religious conservative philosophy. A president who believes in and is for the Constitution is the president i want. I think Ted Cruz has a very good chance in 2020. I like Rand Paul. I like Gary Johnson but he won't win...not this time. If the Republican party dies from within, people like Cruz, Paul and Johnson will have a chance. Cruz will have a good chance whether or not the party survives. The Constitution is what makes America great. The electorial college should be abolished. For the people by the people. Not: for the states.

Straight from the Constitution:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the Constitution states:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 of the Constitution states:

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing[17] the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 of the Constitution provided for the original fashion by which the president and vice president were to be chosen by the electors. In the original system, the candidate who received a majority of votes from the electors would become president; the candidate receiving the second most votes would become vice president.

The design of the Electoral College was based upon several assumptions and anticipations of the Framers of the Constitution:[18]

Each state legislature would determine a system of allocating electors. First systems included legislatures, district plans and direct popular voting.
Each presidential elector would exercise independent judgment when voting.
Candidates would not pair together on the same ticket with assumed placements toward each office of president and vice president.
The system as designed would rarely produce a winner, thus sending the election to Congress.
On these facts, some scholars have described the Electoral College as being intended to nominate candidates from which the Congress would then select a president and vice president.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

 

[Whitebread]

This is absolute BS. The third party movement is a symptom, not a cause.
The cause of the death of the republican party is the party platform that has been centered on religious extremism. The anti-gay, anti-abortion nonsense that most Americans will never get behind IS what is destroying the republican party.

Respectfully I think both of you are wrong. Such a small percent of our society is gay its only an issue because the media makes it one. Its not "religious extremism" by no means is being dirtbags and liars that is killing the republican party. When put on the ballot conservitism wins. The problem is the dirtbags learn that long enough to lie their way into congress. Then they abandon their base and their "beliefs" as soon as the @$$ hit the seat. Rubio was a prime example. The republicans have had the house for nearly six years now and the senate for nearly two. Name one thing they have done!

So why the hell would social conservitives bother to vote for republicans if they stopped championing the social issues?

So no in my mind they should never abandon thd social issues in fact they should double down on them, but the thing they need to imediately do is decide to be men and women of their word. Be that loyal party of opposition fight the good fight hold the presidents feet to the fire both republican a democrat alike. Until they start standing on the fiscal conservitive issues and start saying "this is the hill we die on" it will never change.

But the truth of the matter is the repubilican power brokers are just blue dog democrats of the 70's and earlier they dont buy into the social or fiscal issues as part of their core beliefs but they just use these ideas to rally enough support to keep them in thd bacon wrapped shrimp club.

#fetus lives matter

And no I dont give a crap what gay people do, but I do object to the direct attack on the Christian faith from the LGBTQ (sounds like a sandwich) movements.

 

[Expert684]

I think Trump put his foot in his mouth. I think given the circumstances in which the DNC used the Khan's loss of their son to attack Trump, he should have responded: That he was sorry for the loss and sacrifice of their son, but that his goal is to identify and stop people like the one that killed their son from coming to to our country and harming innocent people. He got a little "f' up, because they attacked his policy, but in return attacked them personally. He screwed the pooch there. It might be too late to undo what he has done, so we are left with picking the Jackass In Chief, or the Crook In Chief. Not much to choose from. Just my two cents.

 

[Slalom.45]

First. It's several months until the election. Crazy things will likely happen. It's not over.

Second. You cant be objective and say that all you care about is the constitution and not all the "religious nonsense". The entire basis of our government is that rights are granted by the creator, not man (i.e. the government). You can choose to believe or not believe. That is up to you. But if you don't, then the basis of our founding falls apart.

Third. As far as the LGBTQ community. Again, choose as you wish, but as goes the family, so goes the country. How does the LGBTQ fit in with a stable/growing foundation of home life that manifests as a stable community, state, and nation?

Not trying to get off topic. Just had to make those points.

 

[MTregre]

Lots going on here but with regards to this election, the only reason to go vote is the SCOTUS.

3 appointments for the next POTUS according to nearly all predictions, with a few claiming up to 5 considering 2 are believed to be capable of being "talked into retirement" by the Dems in HC gets in.

I read above somewhere one of you called HCs SCOTUS outlook a game changer for decades.... NO its game over. We don't get it back, we don't get a new set of downs, or rematch. Its over after that. You will literally have to take arms into the streets if you want your children and grandchildren to be able to live with the ideals and values most of us here share.

 

[Whitebread]

Second. You cant be objective and say that all you care about is the constitution and not all the "religious nonsense". The entire basis of our government is that rights are granted by the creator, not man (i.e. the government). You can choose to believe or not believe. That is up to you. But if you don't, then the basis of our founding falls apart.

You are exactly right thats the left's purpose of alianating the people from our religious founding. If God doesn't give you the rights the govornment must. And if they give it they can take it back at the pleasure, and that is why the libs fight this war of faith.

 

[bigtattoo79]

Wow a lot of great points posted.

I feel we need to look at the voters and see that they are changing. Our new generation is becoming more and more lazy. People work harder finding jobs that are "not" hiring just so they can stay on unemployment for the max term. I've had workers quit because the income was too much and the wife said they would lose food stamps etc. I think the Dems have a blueprint for winning and they continue to improve it. If the Republican moves left he loses votes if moves right he loses votes but the Dems dance all over and still stick together.

If the Republican Party is gonna keep blaming the 3rd party why don't they just step aside and give the 3rd party a better chance?

One thing for sure in the next 4-8 years we are gonna see our country change!

 

[Whitebread]

Lots going on here but with regards to this election, the only reason to go vote is the SCOTUS.

3 appointments for the next POTUS according to nearly all predictions, with a few claiming up to 5 considering 2 are believed to be capable of being "talked into retirement" by the Dems in HC gets in.

I read above somewhere one of you called HCs SCOTUS outlook a game changer for decades.... NO its game over. We don't get it back, we don't get a new set of downs, or rematch. Its over after that. You will literally have to take arms into the streets if you want your children and grandchildren to be able to live with the ideals and values most of us here share.

Exactly. Its not the Hillary will be worse or better than Barack or if repubilcans are utter an total lieing douches. Its about 12-16 years of push towards socialism, chrony-capitalism and stacking the court.

 

[Cajun Camper]

The Republication Party is almost like Democrat Lite.

 

[JustinB]

Democrats were all on board the "get rid of the electoral college" train after 2000. Now that the swing states are being stuffed with illegals they are silent on it. Once they have their electoral lock (and they are close) VA, NC, FL are getting bluer- once they flip TX blue with illegals it will be game set match.

 

[Whitebread]

Democrats were all on board the "get rid of the electoral college" train after 2000. Now that the swing states are being stuffed with illegals they are silent on it. Once they have their electoral lock (and they are close) VA, NC, FL are getting bluer- once they flip TX blue with illegals it will be game set match.

Which is why they have been shipping in the illegals all over the country for years. Its funny there was a time in my short 31years on this planet that democrats believed in border security was important too. It just goes to show you they have no since of right and wrong.

 

[WOLFIE]

First. It's several months until the election. Crazy things will likely happen. It's not over.

Second. You cant be objective and say that all you care about is the constitution and not all the "religious nonsense". The entire basis of our government is that rights are granted by the creator, not man (i.e. the government). You can choose to believe or not believe. That is up to you. But if you don't, then the basis of our founding falls apart.

Third. As far as the LGBTQ community. Again, choose as you wish, but as goes the family, so goes the country. How does the LGBTQ fit in with a stable/growing foundation of home life that manifests as a stable community, state, and nation?

Not trying to get off topic. Just had to make those points.

Why alienate the LG people? Now i don"t think you are saying we should alienate them. You may have been referring to gay marriage. I am saying consevatives can welcome them and let them know they are accepted. They exist. To say it simpler, i want them to vote with us. My home has values because of my wife and i. Because of our choices and actions.

Due to the Orlando terror attack, now is a great time to invite a LG coworker to the range.

 

[WOLFIE]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)[/QUOTE]

Well, i learned something. I still strongly believe that the Constitution is awesome.

 

[Slalom.45]

I think we really need to pay attention to and push the congressional and senate races. The best hope is that the congress got some guts and actually started doing it's job as a check and balance of power vs. the executive and judicial branches.