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  • Emperor

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    As almost all of these posts start, I have a friend that got a texting while driving summons. He is arguing that he was told by the LEO he was texting, but there is no evidence except his looking at the phone at the time the officer observed him. He also contends, that he could have just as easily been admiring the phone's case, and except for the officers discretion at that time, he still gets the summons, and has to go to court or pay. He also contends he was stopped in traffic.

    I have many questions, but I am noticing that the texting law does not "specifically" state that it is a violation to text while sitting still in traffic or at a traffic light, etc. Conversely, the texting law for Commercial vehicles is very specific about it.

    And like many of this state's laws, there is vague language to discern what is actually "texting" versus say, "using the GPS" on your phone? And, is this a loophole for idiots to use the "vehicle not in motion" defense?

    I DO NOT HAVE DOG IN THIS HUNT! I am obsessed with the lack of judgment I see every day on my way to work by (mostly women), clearly texting and tapping their BS. So, I wonder; if I see it so prevalently, is my buddy correct?

    LEO's, what say you guys?

    Here is the Statute for regular private drivers: (Note: In the Commercial section I purposely bolded the section that coincides with this subject to lesson reading).

    §300.5. Use of certain wireless telecommunications devices for text messaging and social networking prohibited

    A.(1) Except as provided in Subsection B of this Section, no person shall operate any motor vehicle upon any public road or highway of this state while using a wireless telecommunications device to write, send, or read a text-based communication. For purposes of this Section, a person shall not be deemed to be writing, reading, or sending a text message if the person reads, selects, or enters a telephone number or name in a wireless telecommunications device for the purpose of making a telephone call.

    (2) No person shall operate any motor vehicle upon any public road or highway of this state while using a wireless telecommunications device to access, read, or post to a social networking site.

    (3)(a) "Wireless telecommunications device" means a cellular telephone, a text-messaging device, a personal digital assistant, a stand alone computer, or any other substantially similar wireless device that is readily removable from the vehicle and is used to write, send, or read text or data through manual input. A "wireless telecommunications device" shall not include any device or component that is permanently affixed to a motor vehicle. It does not include citizens band radios, citizens band radio hybrids, commercial two-way radio communication devices, two-way radio transmitters or receivers used by licensees of the Federal Communication Commission in the Amateur Radio Service, or electronic communication devices with a push-to-talk function.

    (b) "Write, send, or read a text-based communication" means using a wireless telecommunications device to manually communicate with any person by using a text-based communication referred to as a text message, instant message, or electronic mail.

    (c) "Access, read, or post to a social networking site" means using a wireless telecommunications device to access, read, or post on such device to any web-based service that allows individuals to construct a profile within a bounded system, articulate a list of other users with whom they share a connection, and communicate with other members of the site.


    And here is the one for Commercial vehicles:

    Redacted because "Mr Liberty" said it was too long! :mamoru:

    (x) Texting while driving.

    (xi) Use of a handheld mobile telephone while driving a commercial motor vehicle. For purposes of this Item, "driving" shall include all times that a commercial motor vehicle is being operated on the highway, including while the vehicle is stationary on the highway due to traffic, a traffic control device, or other momentary delays, but shall not include times when the vehicle is pulled to the side of, or off of, a highway, and is halted in a location where the vehicle can remain safely stationary.
     
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    DAVE_M

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    Sadly, LEO opinion doesn't matter. It's how well you will be able to defend yourself in court that matters.

    Guilty until proven innocent and all that jazz.
     

    sliguns

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    TL;DR

    Just tell him to fight it and prove that no text messages were sent (or received) at that time.

    Boom
     

    mike84z28

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    Pay the ticket because he was texting and driving or PROVE otherwise, it's simple pull a copy of your phone records.

    And being stopped in traffic or at a light is still operating a motor vehicle on state or public roads.

    And yes it pisses me off to no end when I see idiots texting and driving !!!
     
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    Emperor

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    TL;DR

    Just tell him to fight it and prove that no text messages were sent (or received) at that time.

    Boom

    Wait! YOU didn't want to read the laws? :p

    I bolded the only text that was germane so EVERYONE could keep up without hurting their heads! ;)

    FWIW: If you think this is a lot of verbiage, try finding a specific law by scrolling! My goodness gracious! What a bunch of regulated hamsters we are! And such unnecessary nonsense on much of it! :doh:
     
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    sliguns

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    Wait! YOU didn't want to read the laws? :p

    I bolded the only text that was germane so EVERYONE could keep up without hurting their heads! ;)

    FWIW: If you think this is a lot of verbiage, try finding a specific law by scrolling! My goodness gracious! What a bunch of regulated hamsters we are! And such unnecessary nonsense on much of it! :doh:

    Ain't nobody got time for that
     

    JBP55

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    Pay the ticket because he was texting and driving or PROVE otherwise, it's simple pull a copy of your phone records.

    And being stopped in traffic or at a light is still operating a motor vehicle on state or public roads.

    And yes it pisses me off to no end when I see idiots texting and driving !!!

    This.
     

    Whitebread

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    I would be interested to see how this shakes out. I fought one ticket in my life where I was observed exceeding a posted speed limit. The problem was the posted speed limit wasnt actually posted. The city had just annexed a stretch of two lane highway and removed the speed limit signs. The posted limit for most highways of that nature are 55. I was doing 54 and it was posted but not actually posted at 45. I provided video evidence of a two mile stretch in both directions that proved it wasnt posted, and the judge refused to watch it. I was then lectured to by the prosicution on how if a road is not posted in the state of Mississippi the speed limit would default to 35.

    My point?

    Fighting a ticket in traffic court is like wrestling pigs. All you do is get yourself dirty and show the pigs a good time.

    Fyi the pig comment is not directed at officers. Its directed at the process in which we are intrapped and fleeced by a bunch of government bullies who hold all the trump cards.
     
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    Emperor

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    Just tell him to fight it and prove that no text messages were sent (or received) at that time.

    Boom

    That is the point for the discussion. If he was, as he says as an option; just admiring his phone's new camouflage Otter Box, why does he HAVE to waste his time going to fight it. You of all people should be all over this injustice of the LEO wielding the power to put someone's time in waste.

    I'm looking for a solution; or at least an understanding!
     

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    That is the point for the discussion. If he was, as he says as an option; just admiring his phone's new camouflage Otter Box, why does he HAVE to waste his time going to fight it. You of all people should be all over this injustice of the LEO wielding the power to put someone's time in waste.

    I'm looking for a solution; or at least an understanding!

    I feel the same for red light cameras, parking tickets, and noise ordinances.
     

    sliguns

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    That is the point for the discussion. If he was, as he says as an option; just admiring his phone's new camouflage Otter Box, why does he HAVE to waste his time going to fight it. You of all people should be all over this injustice of the LEO wielding the power to put someone's time in waste.

    I'm looking for a solution; or at least an understanding!

    Oh I definitely get that and agree with you...it's frustrating and a lose-lose situation for the citizen.

    I don't have a solution tho...or at least not one that would be acceptable to govt lol
     

    Emperor

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    Pay the ticket because he was texting and driving or PROVE otherwise, it's simple pull a copy of your phone records.

    And being stopped in traffic or at a light is still operating a motor vehicle on state or public roads.



    He contends that he explained that he was not "texting" to the officer at the time. He was willing to show the guy his phone, but the officer really didn't seem to care. And hence, the burden of proof is on him in court. To me, that sucks. Do you have to be a "salesman" to avoid going to court?
     

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    I feel the same for red light cameras, parking tickets, and noise ordinances.

    Red light cameras are under Constitutional scrutiny and many places are abandoning them. Parking tickets are pretty cut and dry. Aren't noise ordinances supposed to be determined by decibels? Without a decibel meter, how does an LEO know if it was too loud or not?
     
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    Red light cameras are under Constitutional scrutiny and many places are abandon them. Parking tickets are pretty cut and dry. Aren't noise ordinances supposed to be determined by decibels? Without a decibel meter, how does an LEO know if it was too loud or not?

    My father received a ton of noise ordinance type tickets when he used to take his motorcycle through the French Quarter. I don't think he's ever contested it, but I highly doubt they actually used a meter. Parking tickets are cut and dry, but I think it's just a simple way for the cities to collect revenue (I meant specifically for parking meters, not so much no parking zones).

    If your friend has the ticket with the time on it, he can pull up his history and show that there were no texts sent/received at the time.
     

    mike84z28

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    He contends that he explained that he was not "texting" to the officer at the time. He was willing to show the guy his phone, but the officer really didn't seem to care. And hence, the burden of proof is on him in court. To me, that sucks. Do you have to be a "salesman" to avoid going to court?

    I for one would love to see more cops giving tickets out for texting and driving !! Put the dam phone down and you won't have an issue !

    Sorry but on this one if it's in your hand your wrong !
     

    Barry J

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    Free legal advice is usually worth what you paid for it. And if a Leo would believe every story given to him, he would never write a ticket. Everyone has an excuse.
     

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    I for one would love to see more cops giving tickets out for texting and driving !! Put the dam phone down and you won't have an issue !

    Sorry but on this one if it's in your hand your wrong !

    A phone in the hand does not automatically equal texting....isn't that what's in contention here?
     

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