Um...I have no words

[leadslinger972]

So you don't know them . I thought so .

LOL you and your buddies are so predictable.

Do I know the SOP verbatim? No.
Do I know what the SOP was based on statements made by PBSO officials? Yes.

The SRO wasn't getting put on unpaid suspension because he was out of uniform.

The NARSO has courses for this: https://nasro.org/sro-active-shooter-response/

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PDs don't typically release those from my understanding.

In this guys case, if the rules said to engage an active shooter, he probably should have. With that being said, these guys should be armed with rifles if there is ever a chance they have to fight against a rifle.

Where would a SRO lock up a rifle?

 

[dantheman]

OK , so you DO know . What is it ?

 

[leadslinger972]

OK , so you DO know . What is it ?

To engage the active shooter.

 

[thperez1972]

OK , so you DO know . What is it ?

Did you read the article?

"Sheriff Scott Israel said Deputy Scot Peterson should have 'went in. Addressed the killer. Killed the killer.'"

There...that's the SOP. Engage the threat.

 

[dantheman]

Did you read the article?

"Sheriff Scott Israel said Deputy Scot Peterson should have 'went in. Addressed the killer. Killed the killer.'"

There...that's the SOP. Engage the threat.

I'm wondering if that's department policy or armchair quarterbacking after the fact ? The Sheriff is an elected official after all and he's getting beat up for not doing anything prior to this despite all of the warnings about this kid . A lot of self preservation and finger pointing going on .

 

[thperez1972]

Where would a SRO lock up a rifle?

Slung across his back. He could carry it unloaded with a mag or two on his belt.

 

[leadslinger972]

Slung across his back. He could carry it unloaded with a mag or two on his belt.

You and I both know that would cause issues.

 

[thperez1972]

I'm wondering if that's department policy or armchair quarterbacking after the fact ? The Sheriff is an elected official after all and he's getting beat up for not doing anything prior to this despite all of the warnings about this kid . A lot of self preservation and finger pointing going on .

In today's climate, a quality law enforcement agency has an active shooter SOP. The options are:

1. Engage the threat to prevent loss of life.
2. Do not engage the threat and allow loss of life to continue.

You have the sheriff stating the SRO should have engaged. Either the sheriff is stating the SOP (option 1) or the sheriff is stating the SRO should have violated the SOP (option 2).

 

[thperez1972]

You and I both know that would cause issues.

It should not cause issues but, yes, I believe some people would bitch and moan. Schools take every precaution to keep kids safe from fires but balk at measures to keep the kids safe from evil people.

 

[machinedrummer]

1. Stop the killing
2. Stop the dying
3. Tend to the wounded
This is a good start.

 

[oleheat]

Scott Israel's conduct at that CNN townhall meeting was unbearable. He made his feelings on guns pretty clear- he's not exactly a huge fan, to say the least.


Having said that, would the deputy have resigned if he were following procedure? That would seem odd- even in the wave of pressure surrounding this.

 

[shrxfn]

I would hope that if I was in the same position I would make the right decision but no one knows until it happens to them.

I do think that the SRO should have at least engaged the shooter somehow. He in all probability could have fired from cover which would have caused the shooter to leave the premises or at least hunker down and quit actively looking for targets to shoot and then he could have held him down until backup arrived and had good intel for the backup to go on. He did not have to go in llike Wyatt Earp at the OK corral and take him down face to face. Sitting outside was the wrong path to take and allowed the shooter more time to find targets.

I believe that the school district in that particular FL jurisdiction have said that SRO will now be armed with rifles.

I have not really looked at the SRO at my childrens school but do they wear body armor? I know that it would in all honesty not been useful against rifle rounds but it is more than anyone else had at the time.

No one will ever know all the things that went wrong but hopefully those in authority can learn from this tragedy and take steps to mitigate the next one.

 

[leadslinger972]

Having said that, would the deputy have resigned if he were following procedure? That would seem odd- even in the wave of pressure surrounding this.

It would be odd in that case.

I found a snippet from a local media outlet that stated the SO deputies outside of his home were there for protection. The other articles made it sound like they were called out to his home, because something had happened (as I previously mentioned).

The media were eating up the fact that he resigned.

 

[bigtattoo79]

You and I both know that would cause issues.

You see LEOs with rifles at big sporting events. Why wouldn’t we give our kids the same level of protection at school?

 

[sliguns]

 

[thperez1972]

You see LEOs with rifles at big sporting events. Why wouldn’t we give our kids the same level of protection at school?

It's easier to let kids be kids if you pretend evil doesn't exist. An armed SRO makes that difficult because he is (should be) capable of taking the life of another human being but is (should be) restrained enough to only do so to protect the innocent. An SRO (or any law enforcement) with a rifle makes it impossible to pretend evil doesn't exist. A duty handgun is kept in a holster. It has a place. It must be taken out of the holster before it can be used. It's like having a muzzle on a dog. You know it has teeth but you can't see them. A rifle, on the other hand, does not have a holster. Even without a mag inserted, the perception is it is always ready. Like the unmuzzled dog, you can see the teeth.

 

[dantheman]

The snowflake / soccer Moms would freak out over the sight of a SRO carrying a rifle . In most schools anyway .

 

[thperez1972]

The snowflake / soccer Moms would freak out over the sight of a SRO carrying a rifle . In most schools anyway .

My reply would ordinarily be that they must be alright at the sight of 17 people shot in a gun free zone. But in this case, there's no indication an SRO with a rifle would have changed the outcome.

 

[bigtattoo79]

It's easier to let kids be kids if you pretend evil doesn't exist. An armed SRO makes that difficult because he is (should be) capable of taking the life of another human being but is (should be) restrained enough to only do so to protect the innocent. An SRO (or any law enforcement) with a rifle makes it impossible to pretend evil doesn't exist. A duty handgun is kept in a holster. It has a place. It must be taken out of the holster before it can be used. It's like having a muzzle on a dog. You know it has teeth but you can't see them. A rifle, on the other hand, does not have a holster. Even without a mag inserted, the perception is it is always ready. Like the unmuzzled dog, you can see the teeth.

Sorry bro letting kids be kids is NOT working out well.

 

[John_]

Deputy Scot Peterson thinks he did a good job. Earned $75,000 a year, and his retirement will be 80% of that.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/22/deputy-who-didnt-stop-florida-shooting-thinks-he-did-a-good-job/