Um...I have no words

[machinedrummer]

I have one son in Jr. High and another in high school. I don’t mind seeing the rifle, dog, vest, teeth, balls, or whatever it takes to confront evil if it come to destroy children. I wish we could close our eyes and pretend this don’t exist but it does and I want the same if not more protection for my children at school than I can provide for them when they are under my care. Not all parents will agree but that’s just my stance on the issue.

 

[leadslinger972]

Deputy Scot Peterson thinks he did a good job. Earned $75,000 a year, and his retirement will be 80% of that.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/22/deputy-who-didnt-stop-florida-shooting-thinks-he-did-a-good-job/

$75,000 after 33 years isn't much.

 

[bigtattoo79]

I have one son in Jr. High and another in high school. I don’t mind seeing the rifle, dog, vest, teeth, balls, or whatever it takes to confront evil if it come to destroy children. I wish we could close our eyes and pretend this don’t exist but it does and I want the same if not more protection for my children at school than I can provide for them when they are under my care. Not all parents will agree but that’s just my stance on the issue.

I agree!

 

[gsneff]

I'll probably get flamed for saying this but. I don't think any school security are also on SWAT. My guess would be they are the ones that couldn't make it as a road LEO or about to retire. They are not putting their lean mean fighting machines in schools.

I can't speak for all agencies but the one I work with takes volunteers and the SRO before this one was SWAT. The current one is a great officer who simply wanted a position that didn't rotate days and nights making family life easier

 

[leadslinger972]

I can't speak for all agencies but the one I work with takes volunteers and the SRO before this one was SWAT. The current one is a great officer who simply wanted a position that didn't rotate days and nights making family life easier

Most, not all, SRO's are not trained or capable of dealing with an active shooter.

 

[bigtattoo79]

Most, not all, SRO's are not trained or capable of dealing with an active shooter.

WOW that’s crazy I assumed the opposite.

 

[troy_mclure]

his job was to protect the kids. if not why else was he there?
i know for a fact that any parent that was ccw'ing would have been in there without hesitating. even if just to buy time.

 

[AustinBR]

Most, not all, SRO's are not trained or capable of dealing with an active shooter.

Honestly, are most cops at /most/ departments qualified to handle a true active shooter situation in a crowded environment? I mean, excluding very specialized teams who train for this all the time, I just can't see typical cops being ready to handle something like this...expecially individually.

his job was to protect the kids. if not why else was he there?
i know for a fact that any parent that was ccw'ing would have been in there without hesitating. even if just to buy time.

Devils advocate here: But would that make it better? What if they missed a bunch and shot more innocent kids?

 

[troy_mclure]

or drew the shooters fire and saved a bunch.

 

[thperez1972]

WOW that’s crazy I assumed the opposite.

Assignments like those were sometimes looked at as cozy spots people can move to get a few extra years under their belt before they retire, a spot that doesn't require much work.

 

[AustinBR]

or drew the shooters fire and saved a bunch.

Possibly. I think some guys would be able to effectively do that, but not most. It also causes problems whenever cops show up though.

 

[troy_mclure]

Possibly. I think some guys would be able to effectively do that, but not most. It also causes problems whenever cops show up though.

every shot at an armed gaurdian is not at the kids. and by the time the cops showed up he was long gone.

 

[thperez1972]

Honestly, are most cops at /most/ departments qualified to handle a true active shooter situation in a crowded environment? I mean, excluding very specialized teams who train for this all the time, I just can't see typical cops being ready to handle something like this...expecially individually.

This is one of the issues we touched on during training. If there are a lot of moving people, it's difficult/impossible to get a good shot off at the subject without hitting innocent people. And if you draw the fire from the shooter, he likely won't have the same issues regarding shooting into a crowd. You've then put yourself and others in harm's way with little to no chance of engaging and stopping the threat. But that being said, standing around calling in the carnage isn't acceptable. He should have, at minimum, moved toward the door with plans to move inside if the situation were right to do so. Based on his telling of a couple of stories, he may have thought his was a cozy job.

*So I ran into my trailer, I grabbed my firearm and my ID and my shorts and my sneakers and I ran over to the cafeteria. As I got to the cafeteria, sure enough, there were four males inside the cafeteria*

*So I ran, put some shorts on, ran out with my firearm, while I’m running to the school, I’m contacting Coconut Creek police, we set up a perimeter*

It appears he was working but had to go get his shorts and his gun?

https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/disgraced-deputy-touted-school-cops-at-board-meeting/

 

[bigtattoo79]

Assignments like those were sometimes looked at as cozy spots people can move to get a few extra years under their belt before they retire, a spot that doesn't require much work.

The SROs I know go though a fair amount of active shooter training “more than the patrol officers I know”.

 

[leadslinger972]

The SROs I know go though a fair amount of active shooter training *more than the patrol officers I know*.

Legit SRO's will receive the required training, but sometimes the wrong guy ends up as the SRO so he can have it easy before retirement, or as I've seen in the past, you get the guy they didn't want to fire, but he sucks at being a street cop, so they move him around and involuntarily becomes the SRO.

 

[UnseenUSPCompact]

New reports are saying 4 SO waited outside behind a police car without engaging. Interesting.

 

[JBP55]

Legit SRO's will receive the required training, but sometimes the wrong guy ends up as the SRO so he can have it easy before retirement, or as I've seen in the past, you get the guy they didn't want to fire, but he sucks at being a street cop, so they move him around and involuntarily becomes the SRO.

I know some that fit all of the above but The Required Training.

 

[charlie12]

Assignments like those were sometimes looked at as cozy spots people can move to get a few extra years under their belt before they retire, a spot that doesn't require much work.

I've said that before or the ones that didn't make a good road LEO's they so stick them in a school.

 

[bigtattoo79]

New reports are saying 4 SO waited outside behind a police car without engaging. Interesting.

Very interesting (if true)!

 

[Redd508]

Honestly, are most cops at /most/ departments qualified to handle a true active shooter situation in a crowded environment? I mean, excluding very specialized teams who train for this all the time, I just can't see typical cops being ready to handle something like this...expecially individually.



Devils advocate here: But would that make it better? What if they missed a bunch and shot more innocent kids?

This, atleast in my mind, assumes there was a crowd of kids standing around watching. Did any video come out showing how much time the shooter spent walking the halls looking for someone to shoot? It's most probable that a responding officer would have been able to get a safe angle for a shot. I know it varies from school to school but many around here have cmu walls. Its not the best for stopping missed shots but its pretty good.