what do you shoot?

[goteron]

What's trending - truth.

Man I love the interwebs debates. I'm always right!

 

[cjacob]

well every platform has its fans. When comparing to XDs the direct comparisons are pretty much Glock and M&P. These are the popular polymer framed pistols. You could group some HK and Sig in here, but their price is a good bit more. I think most people would agree with me and choose any of the ones I just listed over an XD. A few of the gripes with the XD are the grip safety(unlike 1911 grip safety), high bore axis, questionable materials used for parts, etc.

Will it work? Yes. Is there better? probably. It all comes down to your preference and what matters to you. I have shot XDs and know people that trust their lives to them everyday. There really is no wrong way. You do the research and ask yourself what is important to you.

thanks man, like I said, i just get tired of people putting anything down, yet never offer any good alternative suggestions to help. I'll have to look into the M&P's more, i wish they'd do away with that terrible trigger safety, if you're going to have one, why not just have the same one as glock or springfield. One thing I really liked about the xd,s where the higher capacity and how well they fit my hand, I never thought or knew about some of the concerns people had about them. over a thousand rounds through a pair of xdm's over a few months and never an issue, took less than 50 of the same rounds in a glock to have a ftf, and i've been less accurate with it. I do love the feel of the hk p-30, I really want one, but worried about the size

 

[cjacob]

i'm not looking for someone to tell me what to shoot, but since people here seem to know better, I want to know what they think are better guns so I can look into them. it's counter productive to tell me i'm wrong, but never provide a better option/answer

 

[goteron]

The stock M&P trigger is terrible. A DCAEK or FSS fixes that.

Other than that, it's great.

The new 1911

 

[dwr461]

I have no idea what would be best for you. I can give two people handguns. One a GLOCK and the other a (picking at random) CZ75. For the sake of argument lets say from an engineering stand point both handguns are relatively equal in terms of accuracy and speed of precise shooting. So will both shooters perform equally with each handgun? No they won't. I could do the same thing for 100 people and we'd see the same results.

The way you interface with the handgun determines which is best for you. After you've shot MANY different models and manufacturers of handguns then you'll have a better idea what works for you. Personally revolvers work best for me. When I come out of a holster and aim on target the sights are dead nuts on.... for me. You might not be able to hit the side of barn with my preferred handgun.

The dirty little secret is that pretty much all $500 and up handguns will work when you need them to... if you do your part. Some will fail. That's b/c NONE of them are 100% perfect all the time. Certain one's come pretty close, when the shooter does his part. The equation that many amateurs leave out is the MOST important part of a self defense handgun. The person using it.

Dave

 

[cjacob]

it's just weird, I felt like I had to press the trigger, before I found my finger placement because of the way the safety breaks in the middle, do the trigger kits get rid of that? because I was acutally looking into M&P's before the XD, until I shot one

 

[goteron]

You'll have to shoot one. The FSS is very 1911 like. Solid 1 piece design. Glock like trigger safety. The DCAEK improves the pull and shortens the reset, but keeps the stock trigger

 

[cjacob]

I have no idea what would be best for you. I can give two people handguns. One a GLOCK and the other a (picking at random) CZ75. For the sake of argument lets say from an engineering stand point both handguns are relatively equal in terms of accuracy and speed of precise shooting. So will both shooters perform equally with each handgun? No they won't. I could do the same thing for 100 people and we'd see the same results.

The way you interface with the handgun determines which is best for you. After you've shot MANY different models and manufacturers of handguns then you'll have a better idea what works for you. Personally revolvers work best for me. When I come out of a holster and aim on target the sights are dead nuts on.... for me. You might not be able to hit the side of barn with my preferred handgun.

The dirty little secret is that pretty much all $500 and up handguns will work when you need them to... if you do your part. Some will fail. That's b/c NONE of them are 100% perfect all the time. Certain one's come pretty close, when the shooter does his part. The equation that many amateurs leave out is the MOST important part of a self defense handgun. The person using it.

Dave

I've half considered revolvers because of all this, I shoot my 1935 colt 38 special fairly well, but only in single action, if I try double action, I'm all over the target.

 

[2011Corvette]

Just as I thought, no one wants to offer any help, they just want to talk crap, well I have no idea what I should be looking at for an sd gun, if I buy a M&P i might get bashed for that, maybe an HK will be ok? I don't know. You guys act like you know everything, please share your knowledge, and stop belittling everyone.

Good and bad in lots of gun manufacturing. Everyone has their preference in what they think is the best and you will not change their mind. I agree with you in that I am not a Glock fan and would never own one. There are still many being used and plenty of proud owners who love their Block.
Save your money and invest in a Wilson Combat. It is an awesome gun and a pleasure to shoot. They have a great service department and will help in any way they can to make sure you are happy.
The only negative remark I have ever heard someone say about a Wilson is that they are to expensive. My answer is, you get what you pay for. Don't buy 2 guns that your not sure of. Save the money and invest in the best.

 

[kcinnick]

I have many of the guns talked about (No Glocks, however I wouldn't mind a mint condition Gen 2 without grooves 19). I have no worries if I grab a XD,XDM, M&P, Keltec, Walther, whatever. I know they go bang every time I pull the trigger. About the only gun I worry about going bang every time are a couple of my 22lr rifles, and I bet its the ammo, not the firearm.

Why all the gun hate, my first gun was an XD because I could get it for under $400 BNIB with all kinds of gadgets (That I realize now I didn't need). I have spent more than that on ammo to feed it without any problems. Just get something, shoot it and always have it with you.

 

[cjacob]

I didn't want this to be a pro/anti xd thread, i just have heard enough of the "experts" here bash guns without really breaking down why they don't like them, why the things they don't like could be bad, and what are better options to consider. Further more, I'm new here, I don't know much about anybody here, so I have no idea who these guys are that sit here and talk so much crap.

after hours of bashing, someone finally gave me a good reason why grip safeties could be bad, rather than just saying they hate grip safeties, and today was the first time someone has mentioned to me the poor metal quality in some parts in the gun. yest only a couple of people have offered me some suggestions to try out. none of whom where the guys who were really tearing into me and xd's before. it's one thing to bash and talk crap, it's entirely different to actually provide real reasons, problems, and then offer alternative, a TRUE expert would do the latter, but most guys here have only done the former

 

[Sin-ster]

Here's two things I just realized...

1) Gripes with the Glock and M&P are most commonly related to true "preferences"-- it doesn't fit my hand right, I don't like the trigger, etc.
Gripes with the XD are all rooted in its construction and/or function-- grip safety, questionable internals, high bore axis.

2) There are aftermarket solutions to every last gripe about the Glock and M&P.
I know someone who pinned their XD grip safety (and started having issues with it); there's no gutting the XD, and you can never bring that barrel closer to your hand...

 

[Nomad.2nd]

I didn't want this to be a pro/anti xd thread, i just have heard enough of the "experts" here bash guns without really breaking down why they don't like them, why the things they don't like could be bad, and what are better options to consider. Further more, I'm new here, I don't know much about anybody here, so I have no idea who these guys are that sit here and talk so much crap.

after hours of bashing, someone finally gave me a good reason why grip safeties could be bad, rather than just saying they hate grip safeties, and today was the first time someone has mentioned to me the poor metal quality in some parts in the gun. yest only a couple of people have offered me some suggestions to try out. none of whom where the guys who were really tearing into me and xd's before. it's one thing to bash and talk crap, it's entirely different to actually provide real reasons, problems, and then offer alternative, a TRUE expert would do the latter, but most guys here have only done the former

Yea, no.


We have given detail after detail, explination after explination, and get tired of going OVER AND OVER the SAME THING.


Search is your friend.

 

[JBP55]

thanks for the suggestion. JPB55 is one of the ones that spent a lot of time bashing the XD's, I've been trying to get answers from the XD haters as to which guns THEY think are better, so that I can actually research them and look into them, but every time I try to ask, they just bash the XD again, and offer no help. I know I didn't wait long, but since he already bashed here, and provided no help, I was calling him out to step up and help rather than talk crap like the jerk he comes off as yet again. I'ved asked for suggestion in other threads, yet no one offered anyhting up, so I started this to maybe get some answers. It wasn't just the last few minutes that I got upset about.

I made ONE post in each of your threads!
Let me know when you can come to BR and I will assist you in any way I can pertaining to defensive pistols.
Bring your pistols and I will bring a few also and we will compare and shoot.
If you are not interested in learning anything when help is offered let me know.

 

[cjacob]

today was the first time I really noticed someone saying something about the bore axis, not familiar with it... I just quickly browsed a thread that stated the difference between a glock and xd is .14" i understand that this can be big, but I feel more recoil in the glock than in the xdm, maybe you mention bore axis for another reason?

are there not after market solutions for some of the metal parts in the xd? i know there are some after market parts, just not sure which ones

 

[cjacob]

I made ONE post in each of your threads!
Let me know when you can come to BR and I will assist you in any way I can pertaining to defensive pistols.
Bring your pistols and I will bring a few also and we will compare and shoot.
If you are not interested in learning anything when help is offered let me know.

I was just looking for suggestions in good hand guns, I figured since you seem to know so much, you'd want to help, but you haven't.

 

[cjacob]

so you're telling me that since all this has been answered, then the forum should be closed. If I have to search for answers, I don't see a need for this forum, you basically just called it useless. Some of us come here to ask questions for ourselves, if you hate answering them, then get the heck out, and let someone who wants to help, help.

If you don't want to help, or give a propper answer, don't comment, save me the pain of reading your crap

 

[Sin-ster]

so you're telling me that since all this has been answered, then the forum should be closed. If I have to search for answers, I don't see a need for this forum, you basically just called it useless. Some of us come here to ask questions for ourselves, if you hate answering them, then get the heck out, and let someone who wants to help, help.

If you don't want to help, or give a propper answer, don't comment, save me the pain of reading your crap

That's sound logic, from a completely self-absorbed perspective. If you were the only person that mattered, I'd be inclined to agree.

The majority of us in this thread are here for what a forum is intended-- the free exchange of ideas.

Not the spoon feeding of others, because they feel self-important enough to receive immediate and focused gratification, and not contention with the notions they've pre-formed in their own heads based off of... well... nothing, as far as I can tell...

We don't mind answering those questions, or giving suggestions-- provided the asker is A) receptive, (B) not trying to move some agenda, and (C) at least moderately polite in the approach.

 

[DAUC]

Here's two things I just realized...

1) Gripes with the Glock and M&P are most commonly related to true "preferences"-- it doesn't fit my hand right, I don't like the trigger, etc.
Gripes with the XD are all rooted in its construction and/or function-- grip safety, questionable internals, high bore axis.

2) There are aftermarket solutions to every last gripe about the Glock and M&P.
I know someone who pinned their XD grip safety (and started having issues with it); there's no gutting the XD, and you can never bring that barrel closer to your hand...

This.

Most M&P owners will say they pick it over a glock because it just felt right. Holding/ shooting an M&P is the only way to explain it. I grew up around Glocks and have no question of their reliability. I also have have no need for safeties. I chose the M&P because it offered everything I wanted and felt perfect. the Glock, not so much, and the XD was a distant third FOR ME.

The M&P had early documented issues. They made updates as they encountered issues. Plus, S&W has arguably the best best customer service of the choices and is made in the USA. Glocks had issues with some of their first models too. Both are constantly working to make better products. Issues with the XD are not so easily resolved.

 

[cjacob]

if you don't want to help, don't comment, your comments have only spurred arguement. I posted to seek help, not a fight. Obviously i'm not going to get that here.

Thanks to those of you who did try to offer some help, I'll take a look at what you suggested