WildBillKelso
Well-Known Member
Concealed/off duty carry insurance is well worth the expense.
we should crucify him for being a self righteous derp who got himself into a pickle.
"If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to represent you".
Self-righteous - "having or showing a strong belief that your own actions, opinions, etc., are right and other people's are wrong"
the irony is you've shown your own self-righteousness in your comment above
Clearly, based on the definition of the word, we are all self-righteous so why act like this guy should be any different?
I don't see the problem of getting a license plate number, however, we should all take note that perhaps more ninja-skills should be used when obtaining the plate# so as not to trigger the "real derp". And I say 'real derp' b/c the real derp is the guy who got himself killed b/c he didn't know how to act.
And to those saying things like "i wouldn't donate to this guy b/c he should have minded his own business"...I'd say consider that this man could have a wife and kids who will no doubt feel the repercussions of your self-righteousness. Additionally, why be so callous towards this man? We all have varying degrees of when we would feel comfortable getting involved in the self-defense of others, so I'd cut this guy some slack since it doesn't appear he went looking for a fight.
Self-righteous - "having or showing a strong belief that your own actions, opinions, etc., are right and other people's are wrong"
the irony is you've shown your own self-righteousness in your comment above
Clearly, based on the definition of the word, we are all self-righteous so why act like this guy should be any different?
I don't see the problem of getting a license plate number, however, we should all take note that perhaps more ninja-skills should be used when obtaining the plate# so as not to trigger the "real derp". And I say 'real derp' b/c the real derp is the guy who got himself killed b/c he didn't know how to act.
And to those saying things like "i wouldn't donate to this guy b/c he should have minded his own business"...I'd say consider that this man could have a wife and kids who will no doubt feel the repercussions of your self-righteousness. Additionally, why be so callous towards this man? We all have varying degrees of when we would feel comfortable getting involved in the self-defense of others, so I'd cut this guy some slack since it doesn't appear he went looking for a fight.
As for me, I'll donate once it's shown completely necessary, meaning, if the grand jury moves forward with prosecution, I'll donate and post it here as proof.
Self-righteous - "having or showing a strong belief that your own actions, opinions, etc., are right and other people's are wrong"
the irony is you've shown your own self-righteousness in your comment above
Clearly, based on the definition of the word, we are all self-righteous so why act like this guy should be any different?
I don't see the problem of getting a license plate number, however, we should all take note that perhaps more ninja-skills should be used when obtaining the plate# so as not to trigger the "real derp". And I say 'real derp' b/c the real derp is the guy who got himself killed b/c he didn't know how to act.
And to those saying things like "i wouldn't donate to this guy b/c he should have minded his own business"...I'd say consider that this man could have a wife and kids who will no doubt feel the repercussions of your self-righteousness. Additionally, why be so callous towards this man? We all have varying degrees of when we would feel comfortable getting involved in the self-defense of others, so I'd cut this guy some slack since it doesn't appear he went looking for a fight.
As for me, I'll donate once it's shown completely necessary, meaning, if the grand jury moves forward with prosecution, I'll donate and post it here as proof.
Agreed!
The easiest route for everyone is to just let others fend for themselves. See an elderly man or woman get beaten in a park; tough ****! See a young girl getting sexually assaulted in a crowd? Screw her! Watch a burglar climbing in your neighbors window while they are at work? F**k him! See a suspicious carload of out of the ordinary folks canvassing your neighborhood? So what. And examples can go on and on!
Now, this particular guy may or may not have taken the "ideal" actions (and we in the public still don't know what the total facts are), but until it is determined beyond a reasonable expectation that he should have just walked away, he should get the benefit of the doubt for trying to be a "help" in society, instead if just another dummy for getting involved!
See an elderly man or woman get beaten in a park; tough ****! See a young girl getting sexually assaulted in a crowd? Screw her! Watch a burglar climbing in your neighbors window while they are at work? F**k him! See a suspicious carload of out of the ordinary folks canvassing your neighborhood? So what. And examples can go on and on!
I'm gonna have to throw a red flag here. Don't compare a helpless beating and sexual assault to somebody wanting to play Citizen Police.
Agreed, that some of them are legit reasons to interject one's self in a potentially deadly situation. But I threw the crystal clear in with the more cloudy to articulate varying degrees to which an individual may be motivated (or not), to get involved.
Remember, I was very critical of why this guy made that decision in the original thread. Hell, I still want to ask him that question!
The unfortunate result was something that could have been prevented. It WOULD have been prevented if he just let the guy go. However, we've already seen how many members here disagree and play the "What-If" game.
As more info comes out, I think you will see you are quite wrong, which is not surprising considering you have little info to go on.
The unfortunate result was something that could have been prevented. It WOULD have been prevented if he just let the guy go. However, we've already seen how many members here disagree and play the "What-If" game.
if he just let him go
and you play the if game too. we will nerve know the "if" part of this because, the if didn't happen.
If he let him go, it the events that happened... wouldn't have happened.
Something else would have happened. I don't play the "What If" game. What happened, happened. If it didn't happen, then it wouldn't' have happened. Get it?
no I don't get it you don't know what would have happen next because of the if no one knows what would have happen. he may have come back anyway. we don't know.
I'm gonna have to throw a red flag here. Don't compare a helpless beating and sexual assault to somebody wanting to play Citizen Police.
I missed the part about someones life being endangered. The aggressor was also unarmed. I see very little justification for deadly force.
The perp was not committing a felony, so the intervention by someone OCing was not necessary. In the end, a lawfully armed citizen injected himself into a minor altercation that resulted in deadly force.
He could have avoided this altogether by simply being a witness and waiting to see IF the altercation with the clerk would turn deadly. Instead, he needlessly provoked a new confrontation that led to deadly force. If you are going to carry a gun as a citizen, then you have a duty to avoid petty confrontations with idiots.